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Re: Apple Fitness+

#101
I was just listening to a McKinsey presentation last week where the speaker went through, among other things, their data about which activities that have largely gone digital are likely to revert.

Food-related (both online grocery shopping and home cooking) were one of the main areas their data suggests will stay but online fitness was right up there too.

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#102
post #40

While I'm certainly annoyed that this is a blatant ripoff of so many services out there already - more than anything, it just looks like a real snoozefest of a product. Beyond that, where does the App Store insanity stop? Is Apple going to pull a Fortnite and kick exercise apps off next for "duplicating core Apple products"?

>Is Apple going to pull a Fortnite and kick exercise apps off next for "duplicating core Apple products"? That's not what Fortnite got kicked out for, and I think it is unfair to pretend otherwise. Also, they didn't kick out Spotify or other music streaming services after introducing Apple Music, so I don't see that happening here either.

There's a big gap between kicking out and being on a level playing field, and Apple Music and Spotify certainly are not on a level playing field.

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#103

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

Do you like the idea of Apple owning the operating system you use, the computer it runs on, all the apps running on that operating system, the entire network stack, all of the network services, the gym you visit, the money you use, the school you attend, the church where you worship, the food that you buy, the place where you work, the hospital where you die?

Can't you see where they're going with this?

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#105

RIP local fitness instructors. Already battered by the pandemic, a lot of them have been successfully transitioning to an online only business model. This will make it harder.

Or does it make their lives easier, by increasing the TAM of online-only fitness, which they can participate in?

(I suspect it makes things harder for mediocre-or-worse instructors, and better for good-or-better instructors.)

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#106
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is Apple going to pull a Fortnite and kick exercise apps off next for "duplicating core Apple products"? That's not what Fortnite got kicked out for, and I think it is unfair to pretend otherwise. Also, they didn't kick out Spotify or other music streaming services after introducing Apple Music, so I don't see that happening here either.

Yes, I know that’s not explicitly what Fortnite was kicked off for. But let’s be honest here and look at Apple’s long history of anticompetitive behavior - that’s the core concern here, and Apple has shown a clear willingness to disadvantage 3rd party competitors. Sure, Spotify is on the App Store - but when will I be able to download music and play it directly from my Watch with Spotify? Likely never - Apple simply…

I'm pretty sure the Spotify limitation is due to Spotify and not Apple. Other apps like overcast can download to audio to the watch and play without a phone.

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#107

RIP local fitness instructors. Already battered by the pandemic, a lot of them have been successfully transitioning to an online only business model. This will make it harder.

Nah, a lot of people want some combination of a) in-person experiences, b) lots of fancy equipment, c) the relationship/camraderie the class has, d) the psychology of going somewhere besides your house to do something

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#108
post #64

RIP local fitness instructors. Already battered by the pandemic, a lot of them have been successfully transitioning to an online only business model. This will make it harder.

I don’t think this would affect personal, live fitness instructors. Although it looks the same on the surface, the value proposition is very different (as is the cost). You don’t make the same kind of human connection when the communication is one-way. Put it this way: if internet streaming was going to kill off fitness instructors, it would have happened already. Apple isn’t doing something new here, they’re just pu…

I wouldn't jump to those conclusions so quickly.

I'm paying my local fitness instructor $25/mo for access to a private facebook group where she streams live classes via Facebook Live every day. The communication is one-way (you can post comments in chat, but the instructor can't see you). Nothing is in person.

This directly competes with my local fitness instructor who has transitioned 100% to live stream. Fitness+ is $5 more expensive than the local instructor, but of course cheaper if they bundle that cost into Apple Music, TV, etc.

Edit: But TBH, I'll always prefer my local fitness instructor's low-quality live streams. Something about professionally made workout videos with movie quality cinematography is not motivating for me personally.

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#109

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

Do you like the idea of Apple owning the operating system you use, the computer it runs on, all the apps running on that operating system, the entire network stack, all of the network services, the gym you visit, the money you use, the school you attend, the church where you worship, the food that you buy, the place where you work, the hospital where you die? Can't you see where they're going with this?

Please spell it out. I’d like to know which flavor of dystopia you’re picturing.

Re: Apple Fitness+

#110
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is Apple going to pull a Fortnite and kick exercise apps off next for "duplicating core Apple products"? That's not what Fortnite got kicked out for, and I think it is unfair to pretend otherwise. Also, they didn't kick out Spotify or other music streaming services after introducing Apple Music, so I don't see that happening here either.

Yes, I know that’s not explicitly what Fortnite was kicked off for. But let’s be honest here and look at Apple’s long history of anticompetitive behavior - that’s the core concern here, and Apple has shown a clear willingness to disadvantage 3rd party competitors. Sure, Spotify is on the App Store - but when will I be able to download music and play it directly from my Watch with Spotify? Likely never - Apple simply…

I believe Apple has made the APIs available for downloading and streaming from Watch apps. Pandora and other's use it. Spotify is the one refusing to bring this functionality to their app for whatever reason.
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