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Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by esrauch »

superfrank wrote: post #30
patrickaljord wrote: post #20

> We are confident our proposal would have been good for TikTok’s users, while protecting national security interests Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? > combatting disinformation There you have it. I've seen TikTok videos go viral being really critical of the US government including its foreign policy. The kind of video that would just be invisible or outright banned from Youtube…

> Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? I think they are in the sense that they're collecting massive amounts of user data about their users and I believe they wouldn't hesitate to share that data with the Chinese government if asked. On the flip side, I also think their threat to our national security is being made a bigger deal than it actually is by politicians who have an anti-Chi…

I see this argument about Grinder having data that is blackmail material, but it seems less clear to me that the TikTok data itself would be that interesting if it all became fully public.

Though I say that as someone who has never used the app, and I'm not sure about other data concerns besides blackmail (maybe troop deployments?)

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by lionspaw »

TMWNN wrote: post #77
DethNinja wrote: post #14

So basically if you want to serve the USA market, you have to give up the shares of your company to ruling class of USA? This is eerily similar to how communist China operates.

If TikTok were a Canadian, British, French, German, Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese company, the US government wouldn't have intervened in the first place. It's mainland China that concerns people and governments.

that's simply wishful thinking.

the US sanctioned Japan when it threatened its economic dominance too.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by Marsymars »

ericmay wrote: post #88
Marsymars wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SAP is on the same scale as Oracle and makes about as much sense.

Why didn’t they bid?

Presumably because the whole process was a bizarre Trumpian boondoggle and no non-American company would be considered.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by teclordphrack2 »

echelon wrote: post #51
ericmay wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the main issue is this: The US views Chinese social media apps as being able to spread criticism (and most likely propaganda) and the US can’t do likewise in China, so they’ll just not let Chinese social media companies operate in the US until that changes. There will be 0 official, influential Chinese social media companies operating in the US on a permanent basis until the CCP let’s US social media companie…

Have you seen the anti-US sentiment being stoked on TikTok among our nation's zoomers? " All buildings matter " and " all days in September matter " are just two recent memes from the past month. TikTok is doing a lot of harm to our national image. Zoomers that I know don't think it's important for the US to have a lead in tech and that we commit atrocities worse than China. It's pretty alarming that we're being mani…

"Zoomers that I know don't think it's important for the US to have a lead in tech and that we commit atrocities worse than China."

And we haven't? You could look at race relations, organized labor, communist party. Any of these, and more, could be looked at internally historically to the usa and show hypocritical views.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by teclordphrack2 »

echelon wrote: post #66
ericmay wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re probably right based on the amount of downvotes you’re getting. I don’t use TikTok or much in the way of social media, but if you’re saying it’s true, with a reasonable conjecture and you’re getting downvoted I think the probability of you being correct is increased. It’s not so much that you actually are right, but that you’re exposing a contrarian idea that doesn’t align with either CCP apologists or certain…

All of my posts critical of the CCP get heavily downvoted before eventually climbing back into the positive. They're usually not countered with an argument, or if they are, they're usually nuanced and appreciate that this is a complex issue. Too much nationalism is dangerous, but I fear we've slipped into a state of disaffection that will cause us to lose the lead. I think there is a lot at risk if China's tech secto…

"that will cause us to lose the lead." Good.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by teclordphrack2 »

boringg wrote: post #45
patrickaljord wrote: post #20

> We are confident our proposal would have been good for TikTok’s users, while protecting national security interests Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? > combatting disinformation There you have it. I've seen TikTok videos go viral being really critical of the US government including its foreign policy. The kind of video that would just be invisible or outright banned from Youtube…

Wait, you don't believe Tik Tok is a national security threat? Are we living in different worlds? Handing over content control to an arm's length foreign government controlled company of our youngest minds isn't a national security risk?

Did Russia influence the election?

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #92
Termious wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you even talking about? Do you live in the real world? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat Tit for tat is the strategy used across the globe and throughout history because it works.

Would you please stick to the rules so we don't have to keep banning you? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by approxim8ion »

vikramkr wrote: post #13
doctoboggan wrote: post #2

Strange, it seems like they are in a way accusing ByteDance of not selling to them because MS was going to make changes to meet their "highest standards for security, privacy, online safety, and combatting disinformation". Is it usual for a company to give out any statement when a potential acquisition does not happen?

I don't think they're being as coy as the phrasing "in a way accusing" suggests. This is a very direct accusation that Bytedance is not on board with changes for privacy, security, etc.

with changes Microsoft claim to be for privacy, security etc. to the public.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by actuator »

xmprt wrote: post #91
actuator wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say the possible threat is more than FB is assumed to have been responsible for, whether it is true or not is a different story. While FB's perceived threat was(is?) targeting of users on behavioral models, for misinformation campaigns. Tiktok's goes beyond this, with a state actor pushing its propaganda with active blessing of the platform itself and curbing dissent against itself. Considering how we have se…

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we already see censoring of any references to the Tiananmen Square massacre on Tik Tok back in July?

I am not sure if it was this July but yeah, there was news of them censoring content around Tianamen, Tibet and other topics sensitive to CCP
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