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Re: Wikipedia is an MMORPG

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Also true of StackOverflow and "Google ignores my keywords" complaints. People almost never provide the examples, despite claiming it is a daily occurrence.

Here’s one from Stack Overflow that annoyed me recently: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16023637/difference-betw... . The question is quite sane (there are these two similar options in GCC, how do they differ?), but it was closed as being “ambiguous”.

Closed as you say, but the question was still answered so what's the problem.

Re: Wikipedia is an MMORPG

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I find it ironic that you answer to a comment asking for links, but you don't provide any. (Same for the other comments in this thread)

Linking your HN persona to your WP persona is something not everyone is happy to do just because some random guy demands it.

Which is fair, but responding to a post asking for a specific example with circumstantial stories to proof a point has its irony.

Re: Wikipedia is an MMORPG

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Shameless plug: I recently wrote a Ruby gem to get/post Wikipedia articles from the command line. Then I can use my text editor to edit the articles which is faster than doing so in the browser. To install it: gem install wikian . To see how it works visit https://rubygems.org/gems/wikian .

That’s great! Which text editor do you use? How does wikian deal with edit conflicts?

Re: Wikipedia is an MMORPG

#104

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The non-expert with a beginners' textbook having strong opinions about the subject is everything that's wrong with places like wikipedia and reddit. I just hate it.

> places like wikipedia and reddit. I just hate it. All human products have issues, but are there any superior alternatives at scale? Wikipedia is one of our civilization’s greatest achievements, isn’t it? It seems like the Library of Alexandria on steroids to me. Especially when combined with an internet archive. It’s funny to admit it, but Reddit is also quite an achievement due to the scalable human moderation mod…

> For research, name a better duo.

A search engine and scihub?

Wikipedia is useful for a high-level overview. For more info, you'll be clicking on the references a lot. No reason not to start with the sources.

Re: Wikipedia is an MMORPG

#105

I am shocked this first version of an online encyclopedia has lasted so long. Typically first versions of software reproduce real world limitations, which don't apply to the software. Second and third iterations tend to drop them. Wikipedia has lots of those real world limitations. Notoriety and style of writing were determined by the limitations of shelf space and paper. The selected editor team is something wikiped…

I don't think that would necessarily result in a better wiki.

> Articles are cryptographically signed by authors.

This would significantly up the hurdle for doing edits and, given the meager popularity of PGP, not really pin down a person. But fair, I'd like to see that as a feature.

> Articles are not editable after publication. Edits result in new articles.

I don't see how this is different to a version history. For the most part, people just want the newest information; if a specific revision is needed, you can already direct-link to that.

> Articles have a unique and unchanging url.

Again doable via direct links. I see why you'd want to use that, but if I link (for example) my town, I want people to get the best info about my town and not that version I saw at that moment, unless I'm talking about edits specifically - in which case I'll link a revision. Of course, this requirement satisfies the crypto nerd in us, but it's really going against the usability here for hardly any gain whatsoever.

> Registered users can vote on articles.

Because that works so well for Reddit and all the other vote platforms. Or in science - see the replication crisis.

In all honesty, I think adding a popularity score into this is going to make things far worse. It'll just lead to repeating whatever happens to get votes, with everything else ignored. Why bother with the article of your town? No one cares about that, those two upvotes ... Let's go start an edit war over the birthday of a person!

> Registered users can create collections of existing articles. And those collections can be tread as an article.

Fair, but that's nothing that wouldn't be doable as of now.

> Articles can be filtered on popularity, and on popularity among select groups of authors, and on popularity among select groups of up-voters.

That'd be actually interesting, but I don't think it be worth the drawback of votes. Also, people which were set to that group or people which self-identify as that group?

Re: Wikipedia is an MMORPG

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I am shocked this first version of an online encyclopedia has lasted so long. Typically first versions of software reproduce real world limitations, which don't apply to the software. Second and third iterations tend to drop them. Wikipedia has lots of those real world limitations. Notoriety and style of writing were determined by the limitations of shelf space and paper. The selected editor team is something wikiped…

I don't think that would necessarily result in a better wiki. > Articles are cryptographically signed by authors. This would significantly up the hurdle for doing edits and, given the meager popularity of PGP, not really pin down a person. But fair, I'd like to see that as a feature. > Articles are not editable after publication. Edits result in new articles. I don't see how this is different to a version history. Fo…

Also, people which were set to that group or people which self-identify as that group?

Why not both. Self-identified groups and groups curated by someone else.

And on popularity, I just think of votes as one filter. For example, who and how decides what is the best info of your town? Latest? A filter. Most popular? Another filter. The exact link you sent. Also a filter. Liked by a selected group of people. Yet another filter.

Re: Wikipedia is an MMORPG

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Hacker News is an FPS

Okay, you’re going to have to expand on that one. Even if we’re going for the very loosest of metaphors, I don’t see it.

It was the only other game type I could think of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Wikipedia is an MMORPG

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This is the Wikipedia article of the high school I attended just a few years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monta_Vista_High_School . While I was there it had approximately ten times as much content, which I will readily admit was probably not entirely written by a third party but gave a fairly decent amount of information that to my knowledge was accurate. Some time recently it has been stripped entirely by a Wi…

Wikipedia is supposed to be a reliably sourced and verifiable encyclopedia, not a blog or advertisement, not full of random non-notable or unverifiable information. In other words, it is supposed to be useful.

I am well aware of that. Deleting the entire article by removing everything but the introduction makes the article significantly less useful, especially if much of the information was properly sourced but you got rid of it because you didn’t like it, or got into a revert war with authors of the content to show that you controlled the article. The behavior of the Wikipedia involved is not in good faith.

Re: Wikipedia is an MMORPG

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If I were looking for information about this school, a war hero alum with a local monument would definitely be of interest.

You missed at least the verifiability part.

Wikipedia mentions him in multiple other places. This article features both the information about his involvement and his posthumous awards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Wings. The part about the commemorative statue that I mentioned comes with no fewer than six sources. Considering that it is a centerpiece of the park and any Memorial Day discussion here, any Wikipedia guidelines that are being interpreted as being unable to verify this are broken.

Re: Wikipedia is an MMORPG

#110

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Here’s one from Stack Overflow that annoyed me recently: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16023637/difference-betw... . The question is quite sane (there are these two similar options in GCC, how do they differ?), but it was closed as being “ambiguous”.

Closed as you say, but the question was still answered so what's the problem.

Poorly, but I digress. I see no reason to close the question. I see multiple people voting to do so a disconnect from the people deciding this.
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