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Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Having just finished watching The Social Dilemma about fifteen minutes ago -- then hopping onto HN to satisfy the itch before bedtime (the irony is not lost) to read some commentary about Apple, Instagram, and Facebook. "There are millions of [small businesses] out there that rely on us to target customers and to reach those customers." (quote from Instagram CEO) I'm not an Instagram user / customer / product -- but…

I doubt that anyone at Facebook cares about small businesses beyond making money off them, but they do have a point here. Instagram & Facebook are at the center of a lot of small businesses/side hustles. Those depend pretty heavily on advertising to generate sales or to monetize their posts.

I'm dubious that all this tracking really is that effective for ads. But linking a purchase to an ad is undeniably important. If you can't do that then the current system breaks down. Hard to know if what replaces it will be better or worse.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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This article is not correct.

Does Apple track user information? Yes, they just don't sell those data to adverisers but keep those information for themeselves and use it as advantage to sell their services and devices.

The number of Facebook users doesn't mean anything because Facebook and Instagram are free services, there are a lot of inactive accounts and bot accounts. In order to publish their apps to app store they have to get approval from Apple and Google. So Apple is still the ultimate gatekeeper.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is a giant corporation with varied interests. In some areas they align with consumers (they’re not heavily in advertising... yet) while in others their anti-competitive behavior is harmful. Writing these impassioned posts like you’re defending the decisions of your favorite sports team that can do no wrong... oof.

I don't see any part of the comment that implies that Apple can do no wrong.

but Gruber's post is certainly implying as much.

> That’s exactly what Apple is doing — giving users awareness over what is going on, and control over it.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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post #78
post #15

I might be one of the few, but I like the ads I see on Instagram and have purchased lots of things via IG ads. I can’t think of any other app/site where the ads have sucked me in. I realize this is besides the point, but I thought it was worth sharing in terms of how they might be doing personalization. For me, it’s so good that it actually works.

I agree - I (and at least one friend) feel the same way. There’s some great stuff being made for nerds like us and IG/FB ads have been a fun way to discover. That being said - why doesn’t someone just cut out all the BS and just design a system that lets me give you my preferences - “show my interesting new products and services related to tech, cooking, coffee, and bicycling” - and then just show me the ads! I’d act…

How do you discover new interests?

Why do people selling cycling junk deserve to be privileged over people selling galaxy nightights?

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Personally, I find basically everything about Instagram bad. The only reason I use it is because a lot of my friends share their pictures there.

Their app is full of bugs, at least on my regular Android phone, dark mode always messes up, ghost notifications, random crashes, etc.

The platform is full of bots. My profile is set to private, so everybody who wants to follow me needs to request first. On some days, I get requests from 10+ profiles trying to sell porn. And that's without following any big influencers, just friends.

The bots also invade basically every public comment section, trying to sell porn or NSFW snapchat. I don't get why they are successful, but I assume they are, given the scale they operate.

Their TikTok clone feature that basically completely spams my discover/search tab is full of content taken from TikTok or barely dressed girls trying to push their OnlyFans. Maybe that was the plan, I find it just annoying.

And now to their ads, easily one of the most annoying parts. Given how much data Facebook/Instagram is collecting, you'd assume they'd somehow manage to show interesting and relevant advertisings. At least for me and some friends I talked to, that is absolutely not the case. While it feels like every third post is an ad, there is nothing relevant at all. Basically all ads I get on instagram are trying to sell me 100k passive income online courses, cheap Chinese drop shipping products, knockoff products or trading apps (something I was never remotely interested in either).

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is a giant corporation with varied interests. In some areas they align with consumers (they’re not heavily in advertising... yet) while in others their anti-competitive behavior is harmful. Writing these impassioned posts like you’re defending the decisions of your favorite sports team that can do no wrong... oof.

> they’re not heavily in advertising... yet haha, remember iAd? That failed quickly.

Didn’t it fail because they used non targeted ads? But those aren’t as effective, so no one used them.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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post #34
post #15

I might be one of the few, but I like the ads I see on Instagram and have purchased lots of things via IG ads. I can’t think of any other app/site where the ads have sucked me in. I realize this is besides the point, but I thought it was worth sharing in terms of how they might be doing personalization. For me, it’s so good that it actually works.

Would you have bought these items otherwise? If the answer is no, then you were "sucked in". Google AdWords was great, you search for product X you definitely wanted to buy X, that's reasonable personalization. Now they want to know who you are, so they can optimize manipulatating you to want X even if you didn't before you saw their ad. There's a big difference between the two type of advertising, although they're b…

I question the words "sucked in." Influenced is more appropriate.

Before VisiCalc was invented by Frankston and Bricklin, nobody wanted it. Many people had the problem it solved, but nobody knew it existed, so they didn't go looking to buy it.

Advertising and public relations (see PG's essay "the Submarine") influenced people to buy it. A lot of those folks were people whose businesses improved after buying it, which is why "spreadsheets" went on to become one of the most important product categories of its age.

I think the difference between "influenced" and "manipulated" has to do with informed consent. An ad, clearly marked as such, influences. Advertorials masquerading as independent opinion, paying influencers to use a product to generate faux social proof, manipulating social media algorithms to make it appear as if a preponderance of people you know share a particular viewpoint...

That's all manipulation because the recipient is either completely unaware of what is going on, or dark patterns are used to make it difficult for them to discover what is going on.

But using keywords to target people and then giving them an ad that is clearly labeled as an ad? I think that's just influence.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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> But Facebook has 2.5 billion users and Instagram 1 billion — and they’re the sole gatekeepers of their own massive platforms. What's good for the goose, not the gander type of mentality at play here. However, using these numbers 2.5 BILLION users for FB and 1 BILLION users for Insta. Even if these platforms have to go with non-targeted ads, that's still a huge pool of potential eyeballs for an advertiser. If you we…

This is a minor variation of the "spammers fallacy" of believing 1% is the smallest number.

What it it's 0.1%? Or 0.00001%?

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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post #85

Honest question: Does Facebook app on iOS need IDFA that much? A user is logged in and identified anyway, Facebook can deliver personalized ads. Facebook loses data about user activity outside Facebook, but is it so important? Isn't in-platform data not enough to personalize ads?

For Facebook at least, it's not about 'ads'. Personalised ads are a distraction. Not being able to track outside of their platform takes away the ability to extend the profile they are building around the user. Their customers are interested in this profile because they can use that information to manipulate the user. And we're not talking about choosing Bosch over Whirlpool for a new dishwasher...

You're weirdly obliquely referring to political ads. Those are ads.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

#110

There's a pretty simple solution to both sides of the problem people are complaining about in here. Make a personal choice to stop using Apple, Facebook, Instagram, and Epic products. It's pretty easy and there's no cloudiness ethically to this solution. Take personal responsibility and vote with your $currency and attention.

I can't take personal responsibility for how the behavior of a million moron voters affects me.

As long as democracy exists, the crap poured into other people's brains is my responsibility.

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