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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by greatpatton »

TheUndead96 wrote: post #16
dutch3000 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a million? really?

Just to address the comment above (it has been flagged and I can no longer reply directly). This is not a debate of America vs China. This is a debate of morality. We should not reserve judgement only for "bad guys". The reason China gets a free pass on this is because they are economically valuable to other countries. Chaining up pregnant women is bad, by all nations at all times.

I think that regarding free pass the US get it all the time. Look at the Iraq war, I think that only western country that had to suffer consequences was France with the Freedom Fry silliness. Moreover in the US almost everybody is proud to have fight this war...

We in Europe should be more vocal about what US and China think they can do to the rest of the world without consequences. China is an awful country, we just have to look at what they did in Tibet, for the last 40 years... there is nothing new.

European country are currently doing nothing and this is despicable, my country being the worst, we just discovered that Chinese police officer are invited here to identify potential Chinese to send back to China... the moral standpoint is very weak, and only facts matter.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by amelius »

bitxbit wrote: post #38

It’s disgusting that nothing will be done because everyone is addicted to cheap goods from China. If we cannot break free from current economic arrangements even after the pandemic, we will never be able to do so.

Any trade agreement should have basic human rights mentioned in the first paragraph.

This is something we can actually fight for.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by take_a_breath »

Darmody wrote: post #10
TheUndead96 wrote: post #2

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

Some of us don't have much power. I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. People like Lebron James, who thinks of himself like a freedom fighter, when he criticized China he ended up saying he was misinformed and he wasn't educated about the issue. He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some n…

==He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some nazi collaborators did.==

All of this could be said about our current President and his family. He has far more power than LeBron James, maybe we should hold him accountable?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by hiq »

Nginx487 wrote: post #48
TheUndead96 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to address the comment above (it has been flagged and I can no longer reply directly). This is not a debate of America vs China. This is a debate of morality. We should not reserve judgement only for "bad guys". The reason China gets a free pass on this is because they are economically valuable to other countries. Chaining up pregnant women is bad, by all nations at all times.

I spot this demagogic argument from pro-Chinese position all the time: "they committed some crimes, so we have a right to do the same". Following that logic, they easily can justify their genocide with providing Holocaust as an example: "we just imprison and torture people, we do not burn them".

I think it's useful to directly use the word which describes this strategy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

This makes it faster for you to refute their point, especially in front of other people who might be convinced by this argument at first.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

dade_ wrote: post #85
Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese oppression of the Uighurs is not really a religious issue. Yes, the Chinese authorities would be happy to eradicate Islam because it is part of some Uighurs' identity, but China has cracked down on secular Uighur movements as well. There were even Uighur communists who were anti-religion, but still imprisoned in China or forced into exile in Turkey or Europe because they insisted on using their own language a…

It is clearly about religion. Read the UN report or the first sentence of the linked article: “China has secretly built scores of massive new prison and internment camps in the past three years, dramatically escalating its campaign against Muslim minorities” On a separate issue, the CCP is also rounding up trouble makers, and people that refuse to follow along and learn Mandarin would definitely qualify.

The "Muslim minorities" line is a trope used in Western media for the last couple of decades, especially in the wake of more interest in the Muslim world following 1990s and early 21st-century Islamist terrorism, but it obscures the fact that many Uighurs are non-religious or outright anti-religious. China is pleased at this "Muslim minority" angle that the Western media and NGOs use, because it can spin oppression of the Uighurs as a crackdown on Islamism. However, as I said, religion per se is not the issue here. The problem for Beijing is that Xinjiang has been too independent-minded, because the Uighurs (unlike most of China's minorities) only came under Han domination recently.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by nedsma »

Boycotting "Made in China" labelled products is not effective enough. How would you motivate large population groups to engage globally? Politicians and democratic countries should force China to stop torturing their own citizens based on religious or ethnic affiliation.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by aberseti »

dade_ wrote: post #14

Karl Marx on religion “Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.“ A popular song: Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too The CCP is sim…

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by thecleaner »

mola wrote: post #49

Just buy less. Western consumerism gave China it's power. Have a leader who the world believe he acts in good faith regarding ideals, and not busy subverting ideals for game and profit. But no, you'll choose power and war.

This is rather obvious. We can all just choose to be a little more resourceful. Its amazing how far little changes like these can take us when deployed at large scales.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by germinalphrase »

banmeagaindan2 wrote: post #70
krm01 wrote: post #13

I can't believe this isn't something people are rallying for. Nor can I believe the mainstream media is hardly talking about it. The lessons from WWII aren't stories that we should memorise as fun trivia facts.

What's happening with me is that I don't trust USA news sources on this topic. It is possible something is horrible is happening but there is so much propaganda people who might normally be concerned with this suspect it's a misdirection or scapegoating because of the US's catastrophic response to COVID19 It's the same reason a lot of right wing people who wouldn't be in favour of police brutalizing don't speak up -…

Are they our values if we don’t stand up for them?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by rfoo »

aww_dang wrote: post #73
rfoo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Epoch times Friendly reminder that The Epoch Times is not a reliable news source, it promotes far-right politics in Germany, usually publishes conspiracy theories including QAnon, and was deprecated as a source by Wikipedia in 2019 [1], which means all edits containing links to The Epoch Times will be automatically reverted. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deprecated_sources#C...

Thanks for your concern. I checked the source on the Wikipedia article. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-qanon-impending... I didn't find any actual support for QANON in the article linked. After skimming it, it was simply a series of quotes from interviews with Q supporters. https://outline.com/DYKJKK Wikipedia has become politically charged. If you know of any other sources covering breaking news about…

In the article you linked, you can find mentions of QAnon near the end:

> One such show is "Edge of Wonder," a verified YouTube channel that releases new NTD-produced videos twice every week and now has more than 33 million views. In addition to claims that alien abductions are real and the drug epidemic was engineered by the “deep state,” the channel pushes the QAnon conspiracy theory, which falsely posits that the same “Spygate” cabal is a front for a global pedophile ring being taken down by Trump.

> One QAnon video, titled “#QANON - 7 facts the MEDIA (MSM) Won’t Admit” has almost 1 million views on YouTube. Other videos in the channel’s QAnon playlist, which include videos about 9/11 conspiracy theories and one titled “13 BLOODLINES & their Diabolical End Game,” gained hundreds of thousands of views each.

> Travis View, a researcher and podcaster who studies the QAnon movement, said The Epoch Times has sanitized the conspiracy theory by pushing Spygate, which drops the wildest and more prurient details of QAnon while retaining its conspiratorial elements.

Note that links between this Youtube channel and The Epoch Times is not obvious, but the article you linked already covered that.

I've tried to verify the video [1], it seems to be taken down, but searching the link on Google resulted in various cross references on the Internet.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3KGT_YboSA

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