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The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

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Post by alexilliamson »

sunseb wrote: post #73
alexilliamson wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might not agree that Black lives matter, but it's not a conspiracy theory. With BLM, people are opting in to a social movement rooted in observed police violence. QAnon is not tethered to reality in the slightest.

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You can imagine someone arriving at a personal philosophy that aligns with BLM, independently and through their own introspection. No one is going to independently arrive at the philosophy of QAnon just by pondering the world, again because it has very little to do with reality.

It sounds like you agree they are not two sides of the same coin?

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Post by kube-system »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #59
computerphage wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who?

Marjorie Taylor Greene https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/511633-trump-cal... Yes, she only one the Republican primary, but it is very likely she will win the general election.

Wow, never expected a serious candidate to be posting videos that start with "have you been following 4chan?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rtYok4fdbQ

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

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Post by onyva »

99_00 wrote: post #35

All misinformation is a risk and threat. But Qanon seems minor when compared to others that are perpetuated by major news organization and undermine democracy: Russia collusion conspiracy theory, fine people on both sides hoax (the belief that the President called neo-nazis fine people). These have much more public and institutional support than QAnon.

These attempt at spinning the discussion is lame. Russia collusion is not a conspiracy, nor the fact that trump is a neonazi sympathizer. Like father like son.

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Post by dogman144 »

confeit wrote: post #81
dogman144 wrote: post #4

One has to believe there's a deliberate intelligence effort signal boosting this a fair bit, meshed within the various layers of accounts/platforms propagating it. Similar example of practices: https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2020/07/ghostwr... The above relies on a fair bit of identity building as well, so Q's source/breeding in more anon platforms helps all the better. Intense stuff.

I am convinced that Q, if not started, was quickly taken over and turned into a Russian psyop. I expected the Mueller report to validate this (gross online astroturfing campaigns by state actors), but unless it is in the redacted parts, it is not there. But even casually investigating banned Twitter accounts used for Russian propaganda, you see a lot of clear connections with the "totally organic" Christian MAGA Qano…

> I believe these intel agencies are able to infiltrate grassroots movements

Yeah this happened, per Mueller. Very large BLM Facebook group that organized rallies is an example.

I previously thought most of the psyops efforts were lower level IRA trolling, per what was in un-redacted Mueller.

Digging into some of the private sector threat intel reports around semi-attributed campaigns (see the link), there's evidence that more deliberate operations are occurring.

Most of those complex campaigns I read seemed focused on border states between Great Powers, and CONUS campaigns focused on sowing nonsense, chaos and mucking up comms channels. But I guess it's no large feat, beyond boldness, to employ something with more structured narrative inside the CONUS digital sphere of influence.

I mean "of course this is a thing that happens," but it's still a seriously interesting read on paper, it could easily be employed in the US, and it's pretty bold to do.

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Post by anthony_romeo »

aleister_777 wrote: post #37
rblatz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This already happened because of QAnon. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/22/us/pizzagate-attack-sente... These people see a powerful satanic child raping cabal of power that run things from the shadows. Their champion is Donald Trump, if he were to lose this election it's not a reach to see an uptick in these sorts of attacks. Because, honestly, if this conspiracy were true, the only moral thing to do would be to oppo…

I believe it was wikileaks that revealed the term "spirit cooking" along with some vague references to "having kids ready in a hottub" for the Chairman of the DNC that started pizzagate. That happened in Oct 2016. Q didn't start posting for another year.

So I graciously decided to investigate the hot tub claim. The best I could find is a thread in /r/conspiracy (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6rjx82/wikileak...) linking to https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/46736

    On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Tamera Luzzatto   wrote:

    With enormous gratitude to Advance Man Extraordinaire Haber, I am popping up again to share our excitement about the Reprise of Our Gang’s visit to the farm in Lovettsville.    And I thought I’d share a couple more notes:

    We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility.    Bonnie will be Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure.   And with the forecast showing prospects of some sun, and a cooler temp of lower 60s, I suggest you bring sweaters of whatever attire will enable us to use our outdoor table with a pergola overhead so we dine al fresco (and ideally not al-CHILLo).

    I am ccing Trudy to repeat the invite, and sending pining wishes-you-could-come to Rima, John P, and Laurie & Chris.

    Con amore, Mrs. Farmer L

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

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Post by alexilliamson »

zozbot234 wrote: post #89
alexilliamson wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might not agree that Black lives matter, but it's not a conspiracy theory. With BLM, people are opting in to a social movement rooted in observed police violence. QAnon is not tethered to reality in the slightest.

Some Black Power and Black Israelite proponents do seem to believe that a very literal, criminal conspiracy is involved in oppressing Blacks, going far beyond the mainstream characterization of "racism". To be sure, these views are not exactly widespread or mainstream in the BLM movement - but they're probably at least as common as belief in the Qanon story.

I think that any sufficiently popular movement will have fringe extremists. QAnon has fringe extremists at its core.

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Post by Krasnol »

sunseb wrote: post #73
alexilliamson wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might not agree that Black lives matter, but it's not a conspiracy theory. With BLM, people are opting in to a social movement rooted in observed police violence. QAnon is not tethered to reality in the slightest.

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> that is turning the US into a dystopian society

As an outsider and someone who have fled real Socialism let me tell you one thing:

your country looks pretty much like a dystopian society already.

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

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Post by 082349872349872 »

jeffbee wrote: post #87
secondcoming wrote: post #17

America is bat-shit crazy.

Unfair to bats.

Unfair to guano.

... which is largely KNO3. In the latest development in a conspiracy which has been running since the days of the Emperor Tiberius, it's been proven by five eyes that the crew of the MV Rhosus ordered a lot of takeout from Comet Ping Pong.

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Post by commandlinefan »

alexilliamson wrote: post #50
sunseb wrote: post #15

Black Live Matters and QAnon = two sides of the same coin brainwashing people. Blue (democrats) or Red (republicans): pick your poison.

You might not agree that Black lives matter, but it's not a conspiracy theory. With BLM, people are opting in to a social movement rooted in observed police violence. QAnon is not tethered to reality in the slightest.

Well, the BLM movement's theory is that the U.S. government - the police especially - are secretly racist, don't believe black lives matter, and are conspiratorially targeting black people just for being black (in spite of mounting evidence to the contrary). That's not too far away from my understanding of the QAnon conspiracy theory that there's some "secret society" of bilderbergers or illuminati that are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

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Post by jeffbee »

endtime wrote: post #40
MattGaiser wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon#Incidents It is spawning a fair bit of violence.

I read through that whole list, and the only thing that involved any actual violence was a mafia killing, which it wasn't clear actually had anything to do with Q. I don't know anything about this Q stuff (I don't even know what they believe), and I'm certainly not endorsing it, but your link does not support your claim.

The pizzagate shooting can be viewed as an early qanon consequence. Aspects of qanon are basically riffs on pizzagate, and the two factions have essentially merged.
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