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TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

#101
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Trump's grudge on Tiktok users apart, could this be a plot of hostile take over? With all the public threats ByteDance is receiving from president of USA, Msft or any other company which acquires, gets one of the biggest social networking site of the decade at give away price.

I don’t think it’s at a discount at all. They’re effectively selling it at the height of the market. Even if they cut valuation in half, it’d still be at a significant premium.

This is what a monopsony is, is it good to enable that through government involvement?

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

#102
post #52

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They are divesting the US operations though. So basically different owners for US, China and the rest of the world.

What does that look like? For example, different engineering departments

They could set up an IP cross licensing agreement for software.

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#103
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post #74

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Ironically, this future might be what CCP wished. Their practice won't be regarded as "archaic" anymore and U.S ultimate grip in tech might start to wane, however small will be. A few days ago Pompeo warned that CCP might change "us" (outside PRC in this context). It seems, however, that U.S. might be the first to be changed.

I know right? And this saddens me because my whole life the USA was the role model. I was born in a communist country but it changed to be more like USA at my early childhood, so USA is the dream. Now the USA is becoming this thing that values state security in expense of individual freedoms. I am totally not amused. edit: unfavourable opinions seem to get downvoted into oblivion. I am actually surprised by the jubil…

Where are you from?

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

#104
post #46

US is doing with China what China did with them. American VCs and business men used to criticize and mock Chinese government for it. Since US is following the footsteps of China, I wonder whether Chinese will be doing what US VCs did?

I don't think the US is necessarily doing it permanently. Likely this is a short term geopolitical tactic to get China to play a little fairer on the field. It was always weird how this double standard existed where China would block Western companies but demand free access to Western markets. This is just tit for tat. Also, I don't think this is a "Trump" thing (although he has accelerated the process), relations between the US and China were already on the decline starting with Obama's first term.

I don't think it will be successful, I think China has made it very clear they will continue to play the US time and time again until they are dominant. The CCP will accept nothing but that. But that's the thinking behind the current moves.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

#105
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s at a discount at all. They’re effectively selling it at the height of the market. Even if they cut valuation in half, it’d still be at a significant premium.

I feel like sentiment was similar for when FB bought IG for $1B. Today, we would all agree that was vastly under priced.

Well, sure. But similarly, most people today would agree that Tumblr was not worth nearly 1.1 billion when Yahoo bought it.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

#106

Us companies like Facebook and Twitter had a chance to operate in China as long as they were willing to follow local laws/policies; they were banned because they didn’t want to cooperate. On the other hand, TikTok seems willing to obey us laws and is bringing its team/data center into the us. Banning TikTok in spite of that sounds similar to injecting disinfectant for COVID

China is a communist regime. They can do whatever the hell they want, why would american companies spend any time conforming to their demands when they can pull the rug out from under them at any time. Also, they would be under their total control forever.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

#107
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know right? And this saddens me because my whole life the USA was the role model. I was born in a communist country but it changed to be more like USA at my early childhood, so USA is the dream. Now the USA is becoming this thing that values state security in expense of individual freedoms. I am totally not amused. edit: unfavourable opinions seem to get downvoted into oblivion. I am actually surprised by the jubil…

Where are you from?

Born in Bulgaria, currently in Turkey, previously in the UK.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

#108

Us companies like Facebook and Twitter had a chance to operate in China as long as they were willing to follow local laws/policies; they were banned because they didn’t want to cooperate. On the other hand, TikTok seems willing to obey us laws and is bringing its team/data center into the us. Banning TikTok in spite of that sounds similar to injecting disinfectant for COVID

Owned by the CCP therefore not capable of following US law.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

#109
post #46

US is doing with China what China did with them. American VCs and business men used to criticize and mock Chinese government for it. Since US is following the footsteps of China, I wonder whether Chinese will be doing what US VCs did?

If US successfully force China to open market, that would be a win for everyone. Of course though, this situation would only occur in fantasy land.

Thinking that US market forces will open the chinese market after decades of failing to have that effect seems rather naive.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

#110
post #98

What if China stalls and the US administration changes in a few months.

Don’t think it’ll change with Biden. The rhetoric level may change, but the overall sentiment is quite bipartisan and public opinion of China right now in America is awful. Also, the US can just ban it tomorrow and it’ll disappear.

then tiktok may simply provide a web version. Will US build some kind of firewall?
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