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Re: Digikam 7.0: Open-source photo management

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Post by notyourday » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 2:15 PM UTC

laythea wrote: post #67

notyourday wrote: post #22

Every year for at least last 5 years I have been trying Digikam. Every year like 99.9% of the reasonably complicated GUI-based single process multi-functional software written on Linux it would blow up while working with marginally large sets of files (~ 50k photos, roughly evenly split between 24 megapixel NEF files and random resolution jpegs ) It is just sad to see that the imaging/image processing/image organizin…

We are working on a multi-process GPU accelerated image viewer with the ability to seamlessly browse and organise through hundreds of thousands of photos. Although it is multi process, all applications are embedded in a container application. The processes communicate using 127.0.0.1. All done locally. It was specifically designed to handles hundreds of thousands of images and is in the final stages of release. We ha…

Seems to be Windows only, no?

Re: Digikam 7.0: Open-source photo management

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Post by notyourday » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 2:18 PM UTC

tomc1985 wrote: post #73

notyourday wrote: post #32

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And crash in the most spectacular way.

I mean, if you're a bad programmer, sure. But we've had multi-core systems for decades at this point, one should know at least basic MT techniques, or, short of that, not to fuck with resources cross-thread unless you know what you're doing

Since we know the programs have bugs, photo formats evolve, some of the files are intentionally broken by "evil things" should not we write complex programs taking that into account rather than think that everyone else is an amateur and our code is so state of the art it will just handle bad conditions flawlessly?

Re: Digikam 7.0: Open-source photo management

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Post by gsich » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 2:40 PM UTC

tobtoh wrote: post #99

I wish there was photo management software which catered to non-enterprise multi-user environments. ie families, or small organizations where the photos (and database) would reside on a computer, but other users on their computers could access it via the local network. At the moment, this middle ground doesn't seem to exist. It's either single-user only photo management software or full-blown multi-user digital asset…

Me too. My "solution" is to have the photo software running at one PC and use RDP (or whatever you like) to access it.

Re: Digikam 7.0: Open-source photo management

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Post by gsich » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 2:42 PM UTC

schoolornot wrote: post #81

The macOS version is distributed as a .pkg and isn't signed or notarized. That's a no-go for me. Any reason why they don't just ship a .app in a disk image?

Signing costs money, if you want it signed I guess you can donate that amount of money to them.

Re: Digikam 7.0: Open-source photo management

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Post by gsich » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 2:47 PM UTC

StavrosK wrote: post #92

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #19

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This comment seems mean, perhaps. But, Picasa's facial recognition was far better than Digikam's and I marveled at how Picasa could do so quickly, so long ago, what Digikam has failed to do (until now?). I've been a Digikam user for a long time now, it's really useful for me, but the whole face-tagging system has been really poor for a long time IMO (eg all faces recognised in one image as same person; all tags recog…

I think that comment is more "Picasa was amazing" than "Digikam is bad", and it's right, Picasa was amazing. Hopefully Digikam will reach those levels soon.

It was. I have searched long for a similar program (mainly face recognition) and couldn't find one. Github is full of POC for that, but nothing in a "complete" package.

I tried Digikam, but their face eh recognition discovered also lots of non-faces. The UI also was not fun to use. You click on a suggestion and it takes several seconds before you could type either the name, or pick one. All that with a relatively small collection (2TB).

Re: Digikam 7.0: Open-source photo management

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Post by StavrosK » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 2:54 PM UTC

gsich wrote: post #105

StavrosK wrote: post #92

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I think that comment is more "Picasa was amazing" than "Digikam is bad", and it's right, Picasa was amazing. Hopefully Digikam will reach those levels soon.

It was. I have searched long for a similar program (mainly face recognition) and couldn't find one. Github is full of POC for that, but nothing in a "complete" package. I tried Digikam, but their face eh recognition discovered also lots of non-faces. The UI also was not fun to use. You click on a suggestion and it takes several seconds before you could type either the name, or pick one. All that with a relatively sma…

I, too, am currently discovering that it is a bit too slow. Too bad, I would very much like a Picasa replacement.

Re: Digikam 7.0: Open-source photo management

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Post by tuxcall » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 3:31 PM UTC

notyourday wrote: post #93

tuxcall wrote: post #84

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My library is only 50k raw files, and Lightroom is not exaxtly fast either. Browsing the library, scrolling, etc. is sluggish. On a powerful workstation, 24 threads, 128gb ram, etc

But does it crash, lost some library data and require re-importing your photo library?

Nope. Well, a crash might have happened, not hundred percent sure, but it definitely stops responding a lot, for a good while.

Re: Digikam 7.0: Open-source photo management

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Post by throwaway189262 » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 6:10 PM UTC

blendergeek wrote: post #95

agumonkey wrote: post #75

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yeah I knew there was a proper term I just couldn't bother digging again. Do you think a software aiding you into recognizing would help your life ? or are you fine with that condition now ?

I have learned to live with it. Basically whenever I meet someone I say, "hey, I can't recognize faces". I still recognize people but only by clothing, hair, facial hair or black thereof, etc. If someone gets a haircut, it completely throws me off. I mainly see software helping me organize my photos. I have always dreamed of a Google Glass like thing that would instantly tell me who everyone is, but I think everybody…

I've read you can train yourself to be decent. It would be interesting to use output from facial recognition software as "flashcards" for yourself.

Look at it like recognizing stuff like cars and watches. Somebody really into the space can tell you the brand of either immediately, and sometimes the model. Definitely a learned skill rather than innate like faces are for most.

Just saying, might be fun to try to train yourself to recognize your top X people, for science.

Re: Digikam 7.0: Open-source photo management

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Post by michaelmrose » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

notyourday wrote: post #55

michaelmrose wrote: post #53

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Conversely the a singular anecdote also doesn't mean it doesn't work either. I strongly suspect that when you have a largish body of people are using something without issue and one person is constantly experiencing problems there might be a reason why. - Maybe you are constantly trying it on the same distro that constantly has problems with its build for some reason or other. Consistent bad experience for the smalle…

It is not unusual. Contrary to what people in Linux world believe its desktop software that deals with visual image and video processing is atrocious. That's why no one ( rhetorical no one ) uses it rather than Windows or Macs for their photo libraries. It is definitely the case for the software that tries to manipulate RAW files from modern cameras. What we actually have is a tiny number of users who use Linux as a…

I would guess more people use Windows and Mac because it is the path of least resistance and presumably they are more heavily invested in learning their art and the many complexities of the tools required.

Pixar is an interesting case because as pioneers in their field they made a lot of their own tools and run them on Linux. Presumably unlike single user incentivized to select whatever they are used to they are instead liable to pick the best platform.

Pixar uses Linux

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/pixar-film-production...

Aftershot Pro, Lightworks, Maya, Bloom all seem to be pretty good.

They have in common that they charge money and thus have a budget. Pixars choice seems to suggest linux us a perfectly viable platform and these able tools seem to suggest we can have good tools if we are willing to invest our money in such. This isn't to say that such tools must be commercial. They could well be foss if we change the way we choose to support FOSS. Instead of heaping praise upon them we need to open our wallets and regularly.

Re: Digikam 7.0: Open-source photo management

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Post by laythea » Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 7:08 PM UTC

notyourday wrote: post #101

laythea wrote: post #67

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We are working on a multi-process GPU accelerated image viewer with the ability to seamlessly browse and organise through hundreds of thousands of photos. Although it is multi process, all applications are embedded in a container application. The processes communicate using 127.0.0.1. All done locally. It was specifically designed to handles hundreds of thousands of images and is in the final stages of release. We ha…

Seems to be Windows only, no?

Yep, for the moment its Windows only, however, the vast majority of the core code is platform agnostic, so after the initial Windows release, we shall be targeting Mac and Linux.