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FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

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post #78

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Is contributing to the fund a taxable contribution? I would assume so since it's a diversifying event.

Contribution is done through a note. Not taxable until the transfer of shares upon some liquidity/exit event in the future.

So it's a forward contract...?

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#102

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> a round raised within the last 3-6 months If a company has raised capital and done so recently, how would you compare this to the founder selling an equivalent amount of their shares in into that round (secondary)? IOW, if a founder has liquidity and a priced round, in which situations is this better or worse?

Priced round is for indexing the value of stock being assigned to the pool. If the founder has liquidity, before joining the pool, he would be joining the pool right? Or did I misunderstand?

My question was a little different. FounderPool provides a lot of diversification (relative to shares in 1 company) and potentially, earlier liquidity. But if I’m able to sell shares into a funding round, don’t I get that anyway?

I’d get cash rather than shares in a fund (and later, cash), but for someone interested in doing this, getting cash seems like the goal and is still investable elsewhere.

So, why not take the shares I’d contribute to FounderPool and sell them into my B round? If I want outsized exposure to a small set of equities other than my own, I could invest that cash in 10 smaller public equities and still get high-variance outcomes - maybe I pick a future Shopify, probably I don’t - but for someone after liquidity anyway, that part doesn’t seem like a feature.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#103
This is the worst idea I've ever heard.

If I were a VC and I found out one of the founders in my portfolio had become involved with FounderPool I would immediately drop them and cut my losses.

Being a founder takes a huge amount of confidence: You have to believe, against all odds, that you will be successful. If you really do believe you'll be successful then it wouldn't make sense to trade your soon-to-be valuable equity for a blend of equity which is certain to contain soon-to-be-failed startups.

Being an investor takes an even larger leap of faith in many regards. Swapping your equity for what is essentially "startup insurance" sends the signal that you do not actually believe in your startup and that's a strong indicator of imminent failure.

Compounding the issue: Since founders who believe they will be successful will generally be likely to avoid the equity pool, we can surmise that FounderPool will actually contain a who's-who of failing startups.

It's a bad bet no matter how you slice it.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#104
post #24
post #19

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We are using this as a screening for adverse selection, but founders who are bootstrapped can also apply if they have proven traction (we have a few stellar startups who were highly ranked but never raised money)

How about 409A valuations for those who've bootstrapped? (You probably know what it is, but for non-founders or others who haven't been through it - https://carta.com/blog/what-is-a-409a-valuation/ )

Aren't 409A valuations significantly lower than VC valuations for the same company? So wouldn't bootstrapped companies be at a disadvantage by having to use a lower 409A while VC companies get to use the higher VC valuation?

edit: I see, bootstrapped is their own pool so the two valuations never get compered against each other.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#105
post #4

How do you overcome the adverse selection problem? ie. only founders who know their startups are duds want to diversify their holdings?

This is a good point -- will the funding rounds also need to be qualified by only certain VCs being trusted to make good valuations? What "bar" of trustworthiness of VC will be honored?

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#106
post #103

This is the worst idea I've ever heard. If I were a VC and I found out one of the founders in my portfolio had become involved with FounderPool I would immediately drop them and cut my losses. Being a founder takes a huge amount of confidence: You have to believe, against all odds, that you will be successful. If you really do believe you'll be successful then it wouldn't make sense to trade your soon-to-be valuable…

I don't think people should be downvoting you. Whether or not they share the sentiment or disagree, this is a worthy opinion to raise for discussion. And refute if appropriate, but not downvote.

I think the main argument against it is that there's many, many unexpected factors that could derail any small company's ambitions. This is just like an insurance policy. It's not meant to signal you doubt your own capabilities (though some of course, do -- and that's where there need to be safeguards).

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#107
post #103

This is the worst idea I've ever heard. If I were a VC and I found out one of the founders in my portfolio had become involved with FounderPool I would immediately drop them and cut my losses. Being a founder takes a huge amount of confidence: You have to believe, against all odds, that you will be successful. If you really do believe you'll be successful then it wouldn't make sense to trade your soon-to-be valuable…

You may have missed the community aspect; the vested interest in mutual success among founders. Pooling is one of the most requested features by YC grads, including founders of unicorns. After demo day, mutual activity among the batch practically dies.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#108
post #103

This is the worst idea I've ever heard. If I were a VC and I found out one of the founders in my portfolio had become involved with FounderPool I would immediately drop them and cut my losses. Being a founder takes a huge amount of confidence: You have to believe, against all odds, that you will be successful. If you really do believe you'll be successful then it wouldn't make sense to trade your soon-to-be valuable…

I don't think people should be downvoting you. Whether or not they share the sentiment or disagree, this is a worthy opinion to raise for discussion. And refute if appropriate, but not downvote. I think the main argument against it is that there's many, many unexpected factors that could derail any small company's ambitions. This is just like an insurance policy. It's not meant to signal you doubt your own capabiliti…

I agree. Just because someone's opinion is in the minority doesn't mean well-articulated arguments like this should be downvoted, but rather praised for stating the contrarian viewpoint.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Priced round is for indexing the value of stock being assigned to the pool. If the founder has liquidity, before joining the pool, he would be joining the pool right? Or did I misunderstand?

My question was a little different. FounderPool provides a lot of diversification (relative to shares in 1 company) and potentially, earlier liquidity. But if I’m able to sell shares into a funding round, don’t I get that anyway? I’d get cash rather than shares in a fund (and later, cash), but for someone interested in doing this, getting cash seems like the goal and is still investable elsewhere. So, why not take th…

If you can sell shares on the open market, that's certainly a win, but it's likely to occur until series C and many boards may block secondary market sales as it competes with the company's own ability to raise capital.

Re: FounderPool: A community for founders to share risk and diversify their equity

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contribution is done through a note. Not taxable until the transfer of shares upon some liquidity/exit event in the future.

So it's a forward contract...?

Yes, we see that as most frictionless way to accomplish this at scale
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