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> More succinctly though, there are many people refusing to wear masks, claiming it is government control rather than reasonable common sense in their own best interest. Yeah, I don't get that, but I'm not surprised many americans are against stupidly cheap ways to slow spread to any degree. However in response to that, lockdowns (stupidly expensive) seem to just bring on more unintended negative effects while still…
While being generally libertarian, I did support the shutdowns because 1. there are many people who have very little choice whether to keep going to work, due to the rent treadmill the government has created 2. some kind of actual change was/is required to snap most people out of just going about their business as usual. That expensive course of action should have been used to regroup and implement a sensible contain…
If the basis for such change comes from state diktats rather than understanding and willingness of the population to adopt such from their own initiatives… it's not surprising things are turning out the way they are.
> That expensive course of action should have been used to regroup and implement a sensible containment plan. Instead that time was basically wasted, which is need the real tragedy.
Short from martial law, my confidence in any government to succeed in such from the get go is nil. Bull in a china shop.
> But I would have thought that a pan-partisan shared threat like a pandemic would have put more people on the same page.
I would think the same thing to if the incentives for most people to be on the same page were there pre pandemic… they were not. Now there's a free for all of conflicting ideologies, while still being crushed under the weight of decades of malfeasance that has only been exacerbated even more.
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They don't just have police badges, they also have patches on their shoulders which is for DHS. This was reported couple days ago that DHS will be coming in to stop the rioting: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-co... Media's claim that they are "unidentified" is simply false.
Two patches?! Okay then, three minutes since the iron is already warm. The substantive argument is about the complete lack of process and accountability. Since you seem to be here to reflexively argue, the only thing I have left to say is that you need to realize that the federal government deploying soldiers into American cities against the express wishes of the local governments is utterly anti-Freedom, anti-Americ…
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It's interesting given your posting history that you seem to be more concerned about cancel culture than you are the feds quite literally whisking someone away and violating their rights. I think you're a liar. You're not here to post in good faith. You're just another alt-right troll stirring up shit.
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>So tyranny of the majority is fine Perhaps it is preferable to tyranny by the minority. >authorization" stemming from? Did we explicitly authorize it? Or was it implied by our inaction? Did you authorize the taxes you pay, or where they go? Isn't this the so called social contract? And please, my family fled true tyranny, I assure you nothing the US is doing is quite comperable to the CCP. Westerners don't know tyra…
It's interesting given your posting history that you seem to be more concerned about cancel culture than you are the feds quite literally whisking someone away and violating their rights. I think you're a liar. You're not here to post in good faith. You're just another alt-right troll stirring up shit.
You've posted repeated complaints holding that HN is moderated for ideological reasons, and that users flag posts for ideological reasons, but when you pour fuel on flames like this, you're creating the very situation you're complaining about. Any discussion that degenerates to this level will correctly get flagged, because it is not what HN is for, and it destroys what HN is for.
The truth is that both sides of ideologues are creating this problem—the other side, yes, and your side, including you yourself. All of you need to accept that (1) this community is large enough that plenty of opposing views are inevitably represented here, and (2) everyone's first responsibility is to protect the container for future discussion. When you bash each other, you're destroying the container. This needs to change, regardless of how important the issues are and how strong your passions are.
Our job is prevent this place from burning itself to the ground, and your account is unfortunately standing out as one of the burners. Even apart from the other site guidelines that you routinely break, you are plainly using HN primarily for ideological battle, which is something we ban accounts for, regardless of which ideology they're battling for. Doing that is the only way to preserve any semblance of intellectual curiosity on this site—that is, any semblance of HN's mandate.
I've held off chastising you for this way longer than we do for most accounts, but it's obviously time for that to change. No, this is not because we secretly side with the worst of your enemies, alt-right trolls or whoever else—I've banned more of those than you can imagine. At the same time, you also need to follow the rules.
Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23884888.
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When you see [flagged] on a story it means users flagged it. We don't know why users flag things, but it's probably not hard to understand in this case. The topic is inflammatory, the threads have both been flamewars, and there's not much information to discuss. Incidentally, some of the users flagging the story are people who, I know from their usernames, are sympathetic to the cause of the protestors. The flagging…
I absolutely believe it is ideologically driven. HN has never been a site to shy away from political flamewars. You can look back through the various posts we have on China here where people rightfully claim the government in China has been responsible for various atrocities. Those threads fall along similar political lines and there's no real debate to be had, yet they still survive [1]. Hell, we can even talk about…
Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23884760. As I explained there, I've held off chastising you for much, much longer than we normally do with users who are abusing the site the way you have been. This needs to change. If you want to use HN for its intended purpose, that won't be hard—plenty of users who share your ideological views manage to do so, and I'm happy to give you any explanations that would be helpful. But if you don't want to, you need to conduct your battles elsewhere. No, this is not because we secretly side with $appalling-position. It's because it's the only way to protect the commons, and the commons has to come first. Scorched earth will do no good for anyone.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
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I absolutely believe it is ideologically driven. HN has never been a site to shy away from political flamewars. You can look back through the various posts we have on China here where people rightfully claim the government in China has been responsible for various atrocities. Those threads fall along similar political lines and there's no real debate to be had, yet they still survive [1]. Hell, we can even talk about…
When you break the site guidelines the way your account has been doing—by outrageously breaking the rules in comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23867312 , and also by plainly using HN primarily for ideological battle, I don't think your lengthy arguments about how HN should be moderated hold much water. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23884760 . As I explained there, I've held off chas…
The person I plainly insulted and called a liar is a great example of that sort of poster. You can literally look at his post history and see how he's been arguing and you even noticed that he's created multiple accounts to fuel that shit. As I've mentioned before flagging and upvoting only works as a preventative measure if the community can collectively deal with people who are not engaging in good faith. But when the person I was arguing with was explicitly advocating for the destruction of dissidents [1] there is no other side to be had.
But you know what, I'll go ahead and say I'm done posting here. I appreciate your restraint in dealing with me but I've said my peace. I've noticed older users start to become fed up in the same way I've been and once the people that were managing the commons leaves, who will be left?
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I can get my friend who owns a fabric printer to print “POLICE” on to every piece of clothing I own. Does that make me identifiably a law enforcement officer?
They don't just have police badges, they also have patches on their shoulders which is for DHS. This was reported couple days ago that DHS will be coming in to stop the rioting: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-co... Media's claim that they are "unidentified" is simply false.