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Re: Red Hat to remove contentious terms like master and slave from its source code

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Post by bdcravens » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 5:47 PM UTC

taylodl wrote: post #100

SilasX wrote: post #99

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Nice, who are the mentors it created that are opening further doors for PoC?

I only see the start of the pipeline. You're right though, it'd be nice to see it all the way through in order to better understand what overall impact we're having, if any.

Additionally I think we all can do grassroots mentoring. I know the challenge is discovering a good candidate, but it's an option. Buy someone a simple laptop, and teach them from first principles. (I've seen at least person I know and respect do this on Twitter)

Re: Red Hat to remove contentious terms like master and slave from its source code

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Post by KajMagnus » Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 7:19 AM UTC

bassman9000 wrote: post #61

gruez wrote: post #51

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>I can see no downside to changing it. Yes there is. If you set a precedent that you're going to cave whenever someone says they are offended, you're going to attract trolls pretending to be offended so they can have a laugh at your expense[1]. The whole master/main controversy might be genuine, but it's only a matter of time before 4chan comes up with another word/phrase for whites to be guilty about, and therefore…

Plus, the cost. There's no change without a trade off.

If you compare with the 10 000 ? work years gone into building news feeds where people scroll up and down looking at kittens and food photos?

Re: Red Hat to remove contentious terms like master and slave from its source code

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Post by HappyDreamer » Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:02 AM UTC

jjj1232 wrote: post #90

I’d ask every white person who says they don’t like these changes because they're shallow/pandering/not as good as real antiracist action to take a step back and ask yourself if that’s the real reason you dislike this change. Is it possible you actually had a knee-jerk reaction to PC-ness and are retroactively justifying it with logic? I think it’s common for people (maybe especially engineering types?) to have an em…

Definitely not just engineers -- that's how all humans function across the whole planet.

That is, humans act based on feelings, and rationalize afterwards with logic (like you wrote).

And some of the "logic" in this topic, is quite weird I have to say.

(Personally I like most of these changes, e.g. "replica" or "standby" instead of "slave", also more clear & precise what it means?)

Re: Red Hat to remove contentious terms like master and slave from its source code

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Post by KajMagnus » Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:19 AM UTC

KajMagnus wrote: post #102

bassman9000 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plus, the cost. There's no change without a trade off.

If you compare with the 10 000 ? work years gone into building news feeds where people scroll up and down looking at kittens and food photos?

To clarify, I think changing these words will take comparatively little time.

I just did some changes in a project I'm doing, and it's like 5 or 10 minutes work in my case.