101–110 of 331 posts
Except most people want to be consumers of applications, not creators. And those who really want to be creators they learn how to code. So, like with Pipes, I am not really sure who is the target audience here.
Microsoft Popfly[1] was another one from back in the days.
I think the thing that "coding without code" fundamentally misses is that learning to actually write Python or Java or whatever is not the hard part of being productive in a business context. The hard part of creating useful software is that you have to understand a business process and its requirements so precisely that you can write it down for the computer to do. I work with business stakeholders creating internal…
I think you are radically underestimating the perceived barriers to entry with programming. You sound a lot like the Linux advocates who think everyone should just memorize a bunch of commands, and get used to using shell. This type of insider view is often referred to as 'the curse of knowledge'.
Looks like a competitor to Retool, interesting. The focus on data permissions, mobile support, and push notifications is really interesting because none of those features are ones that Retool focuses on, I believe - those features being front and center makes me think Amazon has looked at the competition and wants to focus on what they offer that others don't, rather than just trying to be yet-another-tool in the spa…
>On the other hand, I absolutely loathe every single UI that has ever come out of AWS, and there is absolutely no chance I give the editor they've built here a shot without hearing lots of positive reactions first. I agree so much with this. I hate the AWS console UI so, so much and It blows my mind that such a large company can't seem to even get on the same page about what color scheme or menu bar position they wan…
Isn't it the other way around? Being a large company makes coordinating on an uniform look and feel much harder, not easier.
Yahoo! Pipes tried this more than a decade ago, it's interesting to see that the dream of "apps my mom could build" never dies. Except most people want to be consumers of applications, not creators. And those who really want to be creators they learn how to code. So, like with Pipes, I am not really sure who is the target audience here. Microsoft Popfly[1] was another one from back in the days. [1] - https://en.wikip…
I think the thing that "coding without code" fundamentally misses is that learning to actually write Python or Java or whatever is not the hard part of being productive in a business context. The hard part of creating useful software is that you have to understand a business process and its requirements so precisely that you can write it down for the computer to do. I work with business stakeholders creating internal…
When I made the move from native software (Windows applications w/GUI in .NET) to web applications, I found the transition to be _extremely_ overwhelming.
And for the most part, the frustration came from trying to manage setups and dependencies, and keeping up with the bazillion of packages.
I can absolutely see a beginner getting turned off by the initial process of just setting everything up, before a line of code has been typed out.
I'm very eager to see the Office 365 answer to this. Microsoft is the one that needs to come up with a defensive play here, because this is an area where Excel is used in many businesses both small and large. I'm guessing Microsoft could do a better job than AWS integrating this with Excel and the Office 365 or MS Teams kind of UI to make it feel at home to their users. On the other hand, AWS is ahead now and likely…
It's called Power Apps https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/
Microsoft clearly has a branding / marketing problem, where people have ignored them for too long, and or are just reconsidering products Microsoft has had on the market for 10 year (another thread where people said Office on the web has caught up to gdocs, whereas id say theyve been ahead of it for at least 4 years.)
Mirosoft Lists (their Airtable) is a new interface over SharePoint lists. SharePoint lists are one of the data sources for the Power Platform, but so is Dynamics CRM, ERP etc.
Also, this thing requires a different login even though I'm logged in to an AWS account with corporate SSO. Like quicksight and other tools do, and it's just as infuriating. Just let me start using and bill for usage.
Looks like a competitor to Retool, interesting. The focus on data permissions, mobile support, and push notifications is really interesting because none of those features are ones that Retool focuses on, I believe - those features being front and center makes me think Amazon has looked at the competition and wants to focus on what they offer that others don't, rather than just trying to be yet-another-tool in the spa…
>On the other hand, I absolutely loathe every single UI that has ever come out of AWS, and there is absolutely no chance I give the editor they've built here a shot without hearing lots of positive reactions first. I agree so much with this. I hate the AWS console UI so, so much and It blows my mind that such a large company can't seem to even get on the same page about what color scheme or menu bar position they wan…
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi there! Founder of Retool ( https://retool.com ) here (and long-time HN reader). Agreed that Honeycode is adjacent to us. I think an interesting way of viewing the space [1] is who the product is for. There are lots of drag and drop app-builders (e.g. mendix, outsystems, bubble, msft powerapps, amazon honeycode, etc.), but they're all built for non-technical people. Their goal is to make programming more accessible…
> you have to use react, redux, install 10+ npm modules, etc... just to make a POST request back to your internal API!). Or just use HTML, CSS, and JavaScript?
Earlier quoted context omitted.
>On the other hand, I absolutely loathe every single UI that has ever come out of AWS, and there is absolutely no chance I give the editor they've built here a shot without hearing lots of positive reactions first. I agree so much with this. I hate the AWS console UI so, so much and It blows my mind that such a large company can't seem to even get on the same page about what color scheme or menu bar position they wan…
> It blows my mind that such a large company can't seem to even get on the same page about what color scheme or menu bar position they want to use. Isn't it the other way around? Being a large company makes coordinating on an uniform look and feel much harder, not easier.
This goes for other aspects of AWS as well, such as consistency in the way services report to CloudTrail or are referenced in CloudFormation. Overall there just seems to be little coordination amongst AWS teams, and that's always surprised me.