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Re: Jim Keller to Depart Intel

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Post by harichinnan »

specialist wrote: post #96
harichinnan wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keeping up with the mood of the country (US) I want to call these comments out as racist propaganda. The casual reference to H1B workers(90% Indians) as root cause of problems in American tech companies is getting old.

25+ years ago in Redmond, most of the H1B were Europeans. The criticisms haven't changed. Just the available sources of cheapest labor.

If you worked in Microsoft, you would know the H1B employees never came cheap. If you were dreaming of reaching Wall Street salaries in Redmond, then that's a mismatch in expectations. Microsoft was always making software for around the world. If American didn't have H1B program, they would've simply expanded the dev centers in Asia and Europe rather than pay Wall Street salaries in Redmond.

Re: Jim Keller to Depart Intel

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Post by harichinnan »

arein2 wrote: post #65
harichinnan wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keeping up with the mood of the country (US) I want to call these comments out as racist propaganda. The casual reference to H1B workers(90% Indians) as root cause of problems in American tech companies is getting old.

The mood of the country is racist propaganda I mean a lot of things are obvious, why pretend they are not

Police killing black men is no longer racist propaganda. It's a reality of life for black people.

Re: Jim Keller to Depart Intel

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Post by specialist »

harichinnan wrote: post #101
specialist wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

25+ years ago in Redmond, most of the H1B were Europeans. The criticisms haven't changed. Just the available sources of cheapest labor.

If you worked in Microsoft, you would know the H1B employees never came cheap. If you were dreaming of reaching Wall Street salaries in Redmond, then that's a mismatch in expectations. Microsoft was always making software for around the world. If American didn't have H1B program, they would've simply expanded the dev centers in Asia and Europe rather than pay Wall Street salaries in Redmond.

How does this relate to your statement that criticism of H1B is racist propaganda?

Re: Jim Keller to Depart Intel

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Post by greggyb »

culturestate wrote: post #72
jgeada wrote: post #50

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6 months is not an atypical non-compete clause length.

I obviously haven't seen his contract but it would surprise me if the noncompete clock started before his final day as a consultant. If it did, that would sort of eliminate the value of having a noncompete in the first place, wouldn't it?

I left a company with a noncompete in place (it was largely valid) and did consulting work for them. The two relationships are completely separate. As a full time employee, I had signed the noncompete. As soon as my full time employment ended, the term of the noncompete began counting down. My later relationship with the company was completely separate, with its own contract (which I ensured had no non-compete clauses).

I could easily see similar happening for Jim, here. The full time role has expired, and there is a new, separate contract for consulting work.

Re: Jim Keller to Depart Intel

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Post by kasabali »

klohto wrote: post #16

If Jim is going back to Apple or AMD then the Intel struggle won’t stop anytime soon. As much as I like Apple, I hope his choice will be AMD.

There was a joke in the reddit thread but I seriously think it'd be fantastic had he gone to work for VIA to kickstart competitive processors. Even with a strong AMD, we would still benefit from more competition in x86.

Re: Jim Keller to Depart Intel

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Post by ciarannolan »

seebetter wrote: post #6

Jim’s talk with Lex Friedman was quite amazing. Highly recommend listening- https://youtu.be/Nb2tebYAaOA

I just watched this entire thing. I'd never heard of Lex before.

It's pretty funny for the interviewer to say "agree to disagree" or "well, no" when he's clearly not the expert of the two.

Re: Jim Keller to Depart Intel

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Post by bcantrill »

kasabali wrote: post #98
polytely wrote: post #94

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Have you listened to https://oxide.computer/podcast/ ? It's has more depth than Friedman's podcast, I listen to it mainly for the computing history because they interview people about their careers. I hope they do another season soon

This podcast has a similar problem too. Right when you think the guest is into something, Cantrill rants about a tangential thing and the topic chances afterwards. I normally enjoy Cantrill's rants, I watch his talks on YouTube solely for listening him rant, but it gets annoying when interviewing a guest.

Sorry about that -- still learning how to effectively interview! (If there are specific examples you can cite, that would actually be helpful; I am trying to get better at this.)

Re: Jim Keller to Depart Intel

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Post by kasabali »

bcantrill wrote: post #107
kasabali wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This podcast has a similar problem too. Right when you think the guest is into something, Cantrill rants about a tangential thing and the topic chances afterwards. I normally enjoy Cantrill's rants, I watch his talks on YouTube solely for listening him rant, but it gets annoying when interviewing a guest.

Sorry about that -- still learning how to effectively interview! (If there are specific examples you can cite, that would actually be helpful; I am trying to get better at this.)

Hi, thanks for hearing!

Unfortunately I don't have specific examples in mind since it has been few months listening the podcast but I remember the episode with Jonathan Blow being a prominent one, because I was new to him, his rants and game development in general, and it felt like every time he was onto something interesting you were ranting about a related issue and after that he was proceeding with his next point without concluding the previous one. At least it felt to me that way.

I hope that didn't sound like I'm complaining. I'm a big fan of you guys and it's a great podcast. I could listen to 100 episodes :)

Re: Jim Keller to Depart Intel

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Post by bcantrill »

kasabali wrote: post #108
bcantrill wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry about that -- still learning how to effectively interview! (If there are specific examples you can cite, that would actually be helpful; I am trying to get better at this.)

Hi, thanks for hearing! Unfortunately I don't have specific examples in mind since it has been few months listening the podcast but I remember the episode with Jonathan Blow being a prominent one, because I was new to him, his rants and game development in general, and it felt like every time he was onto something interesting you were ranting about a related issue and after that he was proceeding with his next point…

Yeah, the Jonathan Blow episode seems to be the one where that criticism comes up. We generally haven't edited them at all (one take, no cuts), and that one was just too long to realistically edit -- but we probably should have edited some of me out. The perils of a three hour conversation!

Re: Jim Keller to Depart Intel

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Post by culturestate »

greggyb wrote: post #104
culturestate wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I obviously haven't seen his contract but it would surprise me if the noncompete clock started before his final day as a consultant. If it did, that would sort of eliminate the value of having a noncompete in the first place, wouldn't it?

I left a company with a noncompete in place (it was largely valid) and did consulting work for them. The two relationships are completely separate. As a full time employee, I had signed the noncompete. As soon as my full time employment ended, the term of the noncompete began counting down. My later relationship with the company was completely separate, with its own contract (which I ensured had no non-compete clause…

I've done similar things in the past, but my value to those companies' competitors was much lower than Keller's would be, presumably, to someone like AMD vis-a-vis internal problems and short-term strategic thinking. The importance of enforcing a noncompete and accompanying garden leave increases pretty linearly with how senior you are in your industry, in my experience.

Either way, I imagine we'll find out soon enough.

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