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Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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strogonoff wrote: post #82
jedberg wrote: post #69

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The main reason I liked Zoom was because it was so easy to install. I've had zooms with non-technical people over 70, and not one of them needed help installing it. The same cannot be said of Google. Heck, as a technical person I have trouble getting Google Meet to work consistently. That was Zoom's main advantage -- their ease of setup and use, and "it just works". We now know that part of the reason that is the cas…

> Security and ease of use are always a tradeoff. Security and ease of use are not by default mutually exclusive. Depending on circumstances satisfying both may be a challenge, but it’s not a blanket impossibility and we could probably hold certain companies up to a standard that corresponds to their multi-billion valuations. A virtual “slider” on which you can only dial up security by hurting usability is only a use…

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Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by frabbit »

staycoolboy wrote: post #64

Is anyone here boycotting use of Zoom? I have a few clients that ask me to use it and I'm trying to think up a good response as to why I don't have it installed. For those of you that have rejected it on principle, what are you all saying?

I will not use it. Have used it once with some friends when it seemed churlish not to, but have refused to and suggested using Jitsi Meet since then with others including at work.

Work insists on Microsoft Teams now. Oh well. At least I am only probably being spied on by the "good guys" now, right?

Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by behnamoh »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #90
Twixes wrote: post #25

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As much as I don't like consolidation of tech, I've had really good experiences with Google Meet. No scummy practices like forcing users to pretend that the app installer doesn't download just to connect from the browser either. What are Zoom's advantages?

My company tried to use Google Meet. With a group of around 16 people, Google Meet had all sorts of connection quality issues—people's voices cut out while talking, sounded garbled, etc. A week later, we tried Zoom instead. We could hear everyone clearly. We've used Zoom ever since. I had some say in the decision to continue with Zoom, and I feel kind of bad about choosing it, but it's hard to argue with the results.…

The reason I'm not using Google Meet is because there's no guarantee about the continuity of the service a few years down the road. I think it's a reasonable fear about every Google product (except for search, gmail, and YT). I don't wanna rely on a service that gets discontinued by Google just like their other popular products e.g. Reader, Plus, Glass, etc.

Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by crazygringo »

I'd just like to see more evidence and information before making judgment here.

There's no response from Zoom whatsoever, which is odd. Could this have been other users maliciously reporting the account as abuse, and it was closed automatically? Or something else similar?

Or if China is putting pressure on Zoom, then how exactly?

If Zoom, an American company, really did intentionally close the account of someone living in the US, because the Chinese government asked them to for political reasons, that does sound outrageous.

But it's so outrageous that I actually have a hard time believing it's true. It feels like business suicide. I want to hear Zoom's side here first -- which I expect we will soon, since this story broke only 2 hours ago.

Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

gniv wrote: post #100
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #90

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My company tried to use Google Meet. With a group of around 16 people, Google Meet had all sorts of connection quality issues—people's voices cut out while talking, sounded garbled, etc. A week later, we tried Zoom instead. We could hear everyone clearly. We've used Zoom ever since. I had some say in the decision to continue with Zoom, and I feel kind of bad about choosing it, but it's hard to argue with the results.…

> Google Meet had all sorts of connection quality issues When was this? Google Meet has gotten a lot better in the last few weeks.

About two months ago, so maybe it would be better now.

Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by amrrs »

tmpz22 wrote: post #66
nvahalik wrote: post #51

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Zoom is a company I have loved so far, but a lot of this is starting to really rub me the wrong way and I really don't want to have to go find another solution. However, without some sort of reversal, this is enough for me to deal with the mess of doing that.

> Zoom is a company I have loved so far Do you love the company, its leadership, its product, or its pricing?

Not OP, I love the company's leadership and the product (not the privacy issue part). It's awesome to see Eric leaving Webex and building a product that seems and sells superior to Webex. It's not that easy to beat yourself at your own game and he's proved. That is one thing I like about Zoom
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