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Tor Browser 9.5

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Re: Tor Browser 9.5

#101

Post by dependenttypes »

pfundstein wrote: post #95
MintelIE wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s literally funded and made by the NSA. Dissidents and activists have been busted using Tor and there’s always a friendly government damage control agent ready to pop up (any forum, any time of day) to remind people that Tor couldn’t possibly be backdoored or owned, it was always some other type of thing they used in parallel construction. Over-shilling is what clued next in. You don’t get this kind of response wi…

AES which is the encryption standard for asymmetric crypto and used everywhere (including by the gubment) was designed by the NSA. So what's your point?

> is the encryption standard

Some others (such as chacha20) are pretty popular too. This is the only cipher used by wireguard and one of the ciphers used by ssh and tls.

> was designed by the NSA

No it was not. It was designed by two Belgian cryptographers (the same ones that did SHA3).

> for asymmetric crypto

Symmetric

No offence but you seem quite clueless.

Re: Tor Browser 9.5

#102

Post by pfundstein »

dependenttypes wrote: post #101
pfundstein wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AES which is the encryption standard for asymmetric crypto and used everywhere (including by the gubment) was designed by the NSA. So what's your point?

> is the encryption standard Some others (such as chacha20) are pretty popular too. This is the only cipher used by wireguard and one of the ciphers used by ssh and tls. > was designed by the NSA No it was not. It was designed by two Belgian cryptographers (the same ones that did SHA3). > for asymmetric crypto Symmetric No offence but you seem quite clueless.

Fair enough, but my point against the tinfoil hattery still stands; Just because the gubment was involved with it's inception doesn't mean it has backdoors.

Re: Tor Browser 9.5

#103

Post by shadowprofile77 »

dependenttypes wrote: post #42
shadowprofile77 wrote: post #13

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Why do you think it fails as basic security against the government? Honestly curious. And what would you suggest instead. To my knowledge many dissidents and activists around the world are specifically using TOR because it supposedly does indeed provide protection against government tracking.

> Why do you think it fails as basic security against the government? Tor connections against normal sites use 3 hops while they use 6 hops against onion sites. Controlling or potentially even analysing the traffic from 2 of the hops is enough to know where the user connects to (it might be 4 hops for the onion case but I am not sure). I am pretty sure that NSA has enough resources for their own nodes. I2P has a bett…

Okay, definitely a bit less practical, but what about using TOR with TAILS on a laptop that's dedicated to nothing else (laptops for TAILS use generally shouldn't run over top of a Windows or regular OS installation). Furthermore, using said machines or TOR alone from an IP address that isn't one's own identifiable address.

That aside, what do you concretely propose as alternatives to TOR for the seriously privacy-conscious (and those, such as activists and dissidents, who need anonymity in a life-or-death way.

Re: Tor Browser 9.5

#104

Post by dependenttypes »

shadowprofile77 wrote: post #103
dependenttypes wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do you think it fails as basic security against the government? Tor connections against normal sites use 3 hops while they use 6 hops against onion sites. Controlling or potentially even analysing the traffic from 2 of the hops is enough to know where the user connects to (it might be 4 hops for the onion case but I am not sure). I am pretty sure that NSA has enough resources for their own nodes. I2P has a bett…

Okay, definitely a bit less practical, but what about using TOR with TAILS on a laptop that's dedicated to nothing else (laptops for TAILS use generally shouldn't run over top of a Windows or regular OS installation). Furthermore, using said machines or TOR alone from an IP address that isn't one's own identifiable address. That aside, what do you concretely propose as alternatives to TOR for the seriously privacy-co…

> but what about using TOR with TAILS on a laptop that's dedicated to nothing else

This does not really help regarding what I mentioned.

> using said machines or TOR alone from an IP address that isn't one's own identifiable address

Slightly better I guess but in most cases you can still be identified.

> what do you concretely propose as alternatives to TOR for the seriously privacy-conscious

Honestly, no idea. I would keep using tor for the time being but we really need an alternative.

Re: Tor Browser 9.5

#105

Post by earth2mars »

blaser-waffle wrote: post #57
earth2mars wrote: post #41

wait! the most privacy centric iOS doesn't support Tor?! but Android does! I wonder is privacy is just Apple's PR but far from truth. The speech to text translation also they need to route via their servers. The contractors listen to recordings of Siri. Its time to unmask Apple's true face.

Who cares if youre supporting Tor when the whole android platform is a mobile data collection trap. They own you on the device level. Yeah you can root the 'droid and ditch the Goog Play Store, but you can jailbreak iOS.

I am not denying Android doesn't collect data. I am just saying Apple does it too and them being hypocrite in this argument about privacy. You still missed the point on why Tor is not supported on iOS?!

Re: Tor Browser 9.5

#106

Post by youwouldntcar »

staycoolboy wrote: post #100
youwouldntcar wrote: post #60

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Yes, I do, and they also shadowban Tor accounts here, which is depressing.

Really? I don't think that's true: I use Tor (well, not right now, d'oh!) and people respond to my posts.

Yes, really. It’s not that hard to check, just log off, create a new account through Tor and try to comment.
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