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Why no looting in Japan?

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Re: Why no looting in Japan?

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From Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! ; Feynman and a colleague are staying at a traditional Japanese hotel in Kyoto: The next morning the young woman taking care of our room fixes the bath, which was right in our room. Sometime later she returns with a tray to deliver breakfast. I'm partly dressed. She turns to me and says, politely, "Ohayo, gozai masu," which means, "Good morning." Pais is just coming out of the…

I came here to quote Feynman too, but a different part: This question of trying to figure out whether a book is good or bad by looking at it carefully or by taking the reports of a lot of people who looked at it carelessly is like this famous old problem: Nobody was permitted to see the Emperor of China, and the question was, What is the length of the Emperor of China’s nose? To find out, you go all over the country…

>when you have a very wide range of people who contribute without looking carefully at it, you don’t improve your knowledge of the situation by averaging.

Modern democracy, anyone?

Re: Why no looting in Japan?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Times have changed. Please don't try to reproduce that in an upscale hotel in Tokyo. They'll just call security (I've heard the story in first-hand).

Why would they call security for you being naked in your own room?

The story is that a trader working for one of the big foreign banks was staying at one of the top hotels, and would repeatedly call for room service and be stark naked when the (female) staff came in. I might be wrong about them calling security, I think they just told the bank they wouldn't accept reservations for that trader anymore.

Re: Why no looting in Japan?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There are efficiencies you can gain by having a monoculture. Nobody has to lock their bikes, subways can have nice cloth seats and you can walk around in any neighborhood and be safe." Bangladesh is 98% ethnic Bengali; you can read about their crime here http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1011.html#c... ("U.S. citizens should avoid walking alone after dark, carrying large sums of money, or wearing expe…

Please note that I'm not saying all monocultures are safe. I am certainly also not saying multi-cultures are unsuccessful. This has nothing to do with safety or success, more efficiency gains and tolerance costs. I'm trying to raise a nuanced point and I went out of my way to say neither is better than the other. I think the efficiency gained depends on the culture gaining it. Japan has decided that they value safety…

"Please note that I'm not saying all monocultures are safe."

Sure, but you attributed safety and other "efficiencies" in Japan to "monoculture." You also wrote, "Multiculturalism means lowest common denominator."

Now you seem to be attributing safety in Japan not to monoculture but to /Japanese/ culture. Fair enough.

In that case, what would happen if 10 million Japanese moved to Bangladesh, making it more multicultural? Would it be a less "efficient" culture? Would it be anchored by the "lowest common denominator," or would the nation improve through the infusion of new cultural values? It seems doubtful that, after conducting this thought experiment, most people could honestly conclude that, "Multiculturalism means lowest common denominator." It likewise seems hard to imagine Singapore in its present state -- including efficiency-wise -- if all those ethnic Chinese has never migrated there.

The big context here is that you were defending Japan against criticism that it is a "closed off culture" and "too exclusive, too slow to change." That criticism is very well earned; for all its many virtues, there is a disturbing level of racism in Japan, against Koreans and Americans of black heritage (usually in military service there but not always, see http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101880815-...). There is also the matter of Japan's depressingly extended economic stagnation, going on 20 years old now, which is widely and credibly explained as being closely tied to an unwillingness to embrace new, often foreign values around business, corporate culture, risk taking, credit and competition.

The one time I visited Japan, for two weeks, I conjured many positive words to describe the country. "Efficient" was not one of them. The grueling, sit-at-your desk 14 hour workdays that are de rigueur in Japan are not particularly efficient. The make-work jobs everywhere also seemed inefficient, like the guy in a uniform bowing in apology non-stop to people driving by a construction detour in the road, or the full time ticket taker/thanker in the back of the bus who collected my payment stub. The many ritual greetings and apologies also did not seem efficient.

I have a hard time seeing how multiculturalism would not ENHANCE Japan's efficiency -- and economy.

Update:

"The swiss are also sometimes criticized for being unique in their ways and resistant to change. Culture is not the same as race or language."

In that case, Brooklyn is a monoculture of New Yorkers, or Americans, and your original distinction between it and Japan is rather meaningless.

Re: Why no looting in Japan?

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NPR had a good piece about how the Chinese looked at the Japanese and wondered the same thing when hey had so much price gouging and looting themselves during their last major earthquake.

Ok, just to be clear, since when did Chinese start looting in earthquakes? I admit there are prices gouging in the 2008 earthquake, but looting?

There was some looting during the 2008 earthquake, but not really that much upon doing more research. They did have significant issues with price gouging on essential goods like food/water/blanknets etc. The way the NPR worded it, and the chinese nationals they got sounds bites from made it easy to jump to the wrong conclusions...

Re: Why no looting in Japan?

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From Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! ; Feynman and a colleague are staying at a traditional Japanese hotel in Kyoto: The next morning the young woman taking care of our room fixes the bath, which was right in our room. Sometime later she returns with a tray to deliver breakfast. I'm partly dressed. She turns to me and says, politely, "Ohayo, gozai masu," which means, "Good morning." Pais is just coming out of the…

Times have changed. Please don't try to reproduce that in an upscale hotel in Tokyo. They'll just call security (I've heard the story in first-hand).

Your explanation below does not support the claim you make here.

Politely disregarding an unintentional exposure is rather different from being perved at repeatedly by a sexual predator.

Re: Why no looting in Japan?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There are efficiencies you can gain by having a monoculture. Nobody has to lock their bikes, subways can have nice cloth seats and you can walk around in any neighborhood and be safe." Bangladesh is 98% ethnic Bengali; you can read about their crime here http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1011.html#c... ("U.S. citizens should avoid walking alone after dark, carrying large sums of money, or wearing expe…

Please note that I'm not saying all monocultures are safe. I am certainly also not saying multi-cultures are unsuccessful. This has nothing to do with safety or success, more efficiency gains and tolerance costs. I'm trying to raise a nuanced point and I went out of my way to say neither is better than the other. I think the efficiency gained depends on the culture gaining it. Japan has decided that they value safety…

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Re: Why no looting in Japan?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There are efficiencies you can gain by having a monoculture. Nobody has to lock their bikes, subways can have nice cloth seats and you can walk around in any neighborhood and be safe." Bangladesh is 98% ethnic Bengali; you can read about their crime here http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1011.html#c... ("U.S. citizens should avoid walking alone after dark, carrying large sums of money, or wearing expe…

Please note that I'm not saying all monocultures are safe. I am certainly also not saying multi-cultures are unsuccessful. This has nothing to do with safety or success, more efficiency gains and tolerance costs. I'm trying to raise a nuanced point and I went out of my way to say neither is better than the other. I think the efficiency gained depends on the culture gaining it. Japan has decided that they value safety…

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Re: Why no looting in Japan?

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This is something that really surprised me about Japanese culture. I went there in 2008 for a study tour and one of the things that really impressed me is how different their attitude towards shared property and public space is. On numerous occasions I saw things where I thought: wow, in my country (The Netherlands) this would totally get abused, vandalized or stolen. Not that my country is not safe or dirty, just th…

> Vending machines are so ubiquitous in Japan that they are an icon in itself More pertinent example: Several Japanese vending machine companies build into their machines backdoors to dispence products for free in the case of an emergency http://inventorspot.com/articles/vending_machines_japan_offe... Compare this to the vending machine in the Computer Science department that is always being probed for new attack vec…

I think you'll find that vending machines in the United States can be unlocked with a key just as easily as vending machines in Japan. The distinction in the inventorspot.com article is that in Japan the keys are made available to the landords/administrators of the property.

In the US, I imagine folks would just reuse the axe provided with the fire extinguisher, and not hassle over a key in a time of emergency.

Re: Why no looting in Japan?

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Whoa, whoa, whoa! Nobody has to lock their bikes? I've had three bikes stolen since I first came here in 1998---one of them twice! The cops found one of my bikes a year and a half after it was stolen. Within six months it was stolen again!

OK, I shouldn't have said that because it is an overgeneralization and is overshadowing the point I was trying to make. Coming from New York, I still think people generally don't lock their bikes. They certainly don't chain them to posts with 1/2" steel chains. There is definitely still theft and crime though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Japan

The point that crime like theft is lower in Japan is totally valid, but I can promise you people do lock their bikes---bike theft is very common. You might not have noticed it because most bike locks come built into the bikes themselves. I don't think I've ever seen those kinds of locks in North America.

Furthermore, anyone who has a mountain bike or crossbike does chain them to posts with 1/2" steel chains. The far more common "mama-chari" type bikes are the ones with the built-in locks.

Re: Why no looting in Japan?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they call security for you being naked in your own room?

The story is that a trader working for one of the big foreign banks was staying at one of the top hotels, and would repeatedly call for room service and be stark naked when the (female) staff came in. I might be wrong about them calling security, I think they just told the bank they wouldn't accept reservations for that trader anymore.

Well, you have to admit that story is quite different from Feynman's, and has nothing to do with "the times" changing.
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