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Re: A first look at Unreal Engine 5

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Post by CyberDildonics »

fxtentacle wrote: post #36

Wow, we'll soon be down to only one game engine. Crytek has financial worries. Plus it's the most difficult to use, because it's almost all C++. Unity is very accessible thanks to C# scripting, but has bug issues (and no source code). Unreal Engine looks amazing, is cheap or free for indie studios, and has source code included. If they can make UE slightly easier to develop for, they'll dominate the market.

Unity doesn't really overlap with Unreal. Unreal is big and cutting edge for AAA titles. Unity is much more simplified. The path of least resistance is usually pretty clear for someone starting a project.

Re: A first look at Unreal Engine 5

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Post by bt1a »

Shivetya wrote: post #66
ksec wrote: post #8

In the past, I have always looked at Demos from Games and thought this is very good and getting close to movie quality. But that "close to" remained "close to" for quite some time. Even though It is improving every year but you can still tell it is gaming graphics. Even if some of the shots are not real time and pre rendered, they are still gaming like. That Unreal 5 Demo was the first time ever I thought this is Hol…

the water effects just after the four minute mark looked odd. while the fixed assets like the statues and such later on looked great. however I kept going back to the water and questioning some of the lighting effects too. don't get me wrong, the fixed assets look amazing and I look forward to seeing more done with this system

I noticed this too. They briefly showed it because it's probably still being worked on (guess). The flow didn't look very natural at all.

Re: A first look at Unreal Engine 5

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Post by bt1a »

explorigin wrote: post #99
Shivetya wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the water effects just after the four minute mark looked odd. while the fixed assets like the statues and such later on looked great. however I kept going back to the water and questioning some of the lighting effects too. don't get me wrong, the fixed assets look amazing and I look forward to seeing more done with this system

Water, dust, cloth and hair physics are all still in the uncanny valley...not to take away from the tremendous progress with triangles and lighting!

I thought the scarf movement looked great.

Re: A first look at Unreal Engine 5

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Post by [deleted] »

fxtentacle wrote: post #36

Wow, we'll soon be down to only one game engine. Crytek has financial worries. Plus it's the most difficult to use, because it's almost all C++. Unity is very accessible thanks to C# scripting, but has bug issues (and no source code). Unreal Engine looks amazing, is cheap or free for indie studios, and has source code included. If they can make UE slightly easier to develop for, they'll dominate the market.

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Re: A first look at Unreal Engine 5

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Post by lumens »

Extremely impressive.

That said, I am struck by how the inaccuracies in physics modeling start sticking out like a sore thumb the closer the visuals get to realism. After gawking at the ground and falling rocks in the first scene, I kept getting stuck on the weird movement of her ponytail. Also the landing of the first jump across the chasm.

Picking nits for sure; incredible work here.

Re: A first look at Unreal Engine 5

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Post by skohan »

jfoster wrote: post #69
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think with every engine- or console generation people will go "this is photorealistic!", but in practice / real games it doesn't look / feel that way, or (maybe more likely) you get used to it until you run into the next best thing. That said, The Mandalorian has used the Unreal engine to render real-time backgrounds for scenes, so it's good enough for that at least. And in films they don't need to do real-time, th…

In this demo I thought it "didn't feel that way" more due to the camera positioning and character than anything else, though. The environment seemed quite indistinguishable from pre-rendered CGI.

A highly scripted tech demo is also not such an accurate representation of what real-world results are going to look like.

Yes they can render it in-engine, but they can use bespoke character animations which don't have any blending artifacts, and they can put the camera on a rail and tune the assets and particle effects until they are certain every single frame can be rendered in under 16ms. They can hide billboards and other rendering tricks and be certain the camera is never going to hit them at an angle which gives them away.

Real-world game play scenarios are much more unpredictable, and the results are likely to fall well shy of this mark.

Re: A first look at Unreal Engine 5

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Post by datasage »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #18
ksec wrote: post #8

In the past, I have always looked at Demos from Games and thought this is very good and getting close to movie quality. But that "close to" remained "close to" for quite some time. Even though It is improving every year but you can still tell it is gaming graphics. Even if some of the shots are not real time and pre rendered, they are still gaming like. That Unreal 5 Demo was the first time ever I thought this is Hol…

I think with every engine- or console generation people will go "this is photorealistic!", but in practice / real games it doesn't look / feel that way, or (maybe more likely) you get used to it until you run into the next best thing. That said, The Mandalorian has used the Unreal engine to render real-time backgrounds for scenes, so it's good enough for that at least. And in films they don't need to do real-time, th…

Often there are choices made to support a larger range of devices that require comprises on graphic quality. It doesn't make a lot of sense to build a game only 5% of your customers can afford to run.

Next-gen consoles will have to become more ubiquitous before the previous gen consoles are left out of game releases.

Re: A first look at Unreal Engine 5

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Post by DenisM »

For all the advancements the demo is still essentially monochromatic.

As I recall this is done to avoid the difficulties of rendering how two adjacent differently colored objects bleed their colors onto each other. No color - no bleeding.

I'd prefer color over pixel accuracy.

Re: A first look at Unreal Engine 5

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Post by skohan »

nabla9 wrote: post #70
centimeter wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mandalorian filmed a lot of scenes with UE4 doing real-time rendering onto large LED screens like in that demo. Looked pretty good! Probably more fun and easier for the actors too.

If you can afford to put one or more GPU's per LED screen, there is little limit what you can render real-time, especially when the camera is so far away. I wonder how many GPU's that system had.

That's true for simple rasterization, but many effects don't scale that way
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