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Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by Bombthecat »

jpalomaki wrote: post #84
rb808 wrote: post #66

Buying your own Physical hardware is so cheap now its crazy. A commodity Ryzen 16 vCPU box is about the same price as 2 months rent on EC2. I get maintenance, electricity and bandwidth isn't free but I honestly thought cloud server prices would be much lower by now. No wonder AWS is making huge profits.

Check the prices for example on Hezner or some other company which provides dedicated boxes. They are totally different from big cloud. Like 6 cores and 256GB memory for 150€/month (one older server I have there). Of course these don’t scale dynamically. And you don’t just create copied of the servers. And they don’t have 100 security certifications like Azure/AWS. And no data centers in every jurisdiction.

Vultr has servers with pci certification.

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by votepaunchy »

rumanator wrote: post #88
tanilama wrote: post #85

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> Even when compared with other cloud providers, AWS is super expensive. Well this is not true. I don't think Azure is much cheaper in that regard. In reality, the big clouds are watching each other very closely. Do you have data other than anecdote evidence? Also if you are big enough, you can negotiate better deal with AWS separately, and I believe that is the norm. Disclaimer: I worked at AWS before.

> Do you have data other than anecdote evidence? Why, yes. Take Hetzner for example. With their Hetzner cloud offering you get, say, 1vCPU with 2GB of RAM and 2TB of traffic for 3€/month. For an instance with 2vCPUs yo pay about 4.15€. For an equivalent EC2 instance (t3.small) you pay about 5x the price, and you still need to pay additional costs such as egress charges. Heck, with Hetzner you can spend less than 50€/…

The Hetzer-equivalent service is Amazon Lightsail, which starts at $3.50 a month ($5 for 2TB transfer) and has access to all AWS services.

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by rumanator »

votepaunchy wrote: post #102
rumanator wrote: post #88

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> Do you have data other than anecdote evidence? Why, yes. Take Hetzner for example. With their Hetzner cloud offering you get, say, 1vCPU with 2GB of RAM and 2TB of traffic for 3€/month. For an instance with 2vCPUs yo pay about 4.15€. For an equivalent EC2 instance (t3.small) you pay about 5x the price, and you still need to pay additional costs such as egress charges. Heck, with Hetzner you can spend less than 50€/…

The Hetzer-equivalent service is Amazon Lightsail, which starts at $3.50 a month ($5 for 2TB transfer) and has access to all AWS services.

> The Hetzer-equivalent service is Amazon Lightsail,

No it isn't. Hetzner provides full blown linux instances with 2GB of RAM, while the Ligthsail instance type you're trying to compare has a barely workable 512MB of RAM. That's the equivalent of a meager Orange Pi Zero.

The Lightsail instance type that is equivalent to Hetzner's 4€/month instance is sold for 20€/month.

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Post by scarface74 »

oefrha wrote: post #42
scarface74 wrote: post #35

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Anticompetitive behavior when they clearly state the price? Of all the things that lock you in to any provider once you are at any scale, data isn’t the biggest one. If you have a massive amount of data, you can always get AWS to transfer it to you via a Snowball for $30/TB + a $300 fee.

> you can always get AWS to transfer it to you via a Snowball for $30/TB + a $300 fee. 1. That fee is in addition to S3 retrieval costs. > Q: What does it cost to export my data? > In addition to the Export job fees detailed on our pricing page, you will also be charged all fees incurred to retrieve your data from Amazon S3. https://aws.amazon.com/snowball/faqs/ 2. $30/TB isn’t even cheap by itself.

If you’re any kind of business ,$30 a TB is cheap.

S3 request fees are $.0004 per 1000 GET requests. If you had 100000 objects (files) you would pay $40

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by ksec »

reacharavindh wrote: post #91
phamilton wrote: post #86

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Could someone a little more familiar with buying their own hardware tell me how much hardware equivalent to a c5.12xlarge (48 cores, 96 GB) would cost? Spot prices are around $0.80/hr, which puts total compute cost at $7k/yr. On demand is $2.04/hr ($17k/yr), reserved is 1.20/hr ($10k/yr).

Not exactly what you asked for. But, we bought an AMD server to test at our HPC cluster. AMD EPYC 7302P (16cores, 32 threads), 512 GiB of 3200 MHZ RDIMM, 10GBE, 3.2TiB of 12Gbps SAS SSD. It came out to be approx 48000 DKK (excluding VAT). That is approx. $7000. Fewer cores machine with faster clocks and we mostly use it for its memory channels(8). Our typical buy - 2 socket intel cascade lake Xeon Gold 6256(12 Cores,…

I was just thinking the other day when HN were discussion Cloud vs Metal. How little has the DRAM prices changed in the past 10 years. While CPU core went from 10 to 64 Core, ( Not exactly Moores's law at least it is 6.4x the difference ). DRAM median prices has remain mostly flat until recently, we finally got pass $10 /GB ECC RAM and are now close to $5/GB. Which is still very expensive.

SLC NAND SSD could be had for $0.4/GB, I failed to see why DRAM should be priced at 10x higher.

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by sixdimensional »

sdfdsfsdf222 wrote: post #46
sixdimensional wrote: post #41

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IANAL, but I don't believe stating a price has any impact on whether it is anticompetitive or not. If the behavior is anticompetitive, it doesn't matter if other people do it too and state their price as well. Giving you an option to only bulk egress is not the same either, since the most common scenario for egress would be operational day-to-day inter-network scenarios. If there is an unreasonably high fee for exiti…

The Bandwidth Alliance was meant to solve this problem. Azure and GCP have joined, AWS has not. https://www.cloudflare.com/bandwidth-alliance/

Wow, I hadn't seen this. This is quite cool. So clearly somebody else at Cloudflare saw the same concern I do and came up with a creative solution. Interesting that AWS isn't playing though.

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by yencabulator »

klohto wrote: post #97
jread wrote: post #59

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AWS Lightsail is a possible workaround for bandwidth heavy simple workloads. The smallest $3.50/mo instance (t2.nano behind the scenes), comes with 1TB outbound bandwidth - equivalent of about $90 for the same in EC2 excluding the instance cost, and bundled bandwidth increases for larger types.

I wouldn’t risk AWS closing the account. It should work, but don’t know how would AWS view it. "You may not use Amazon Lightsail in a manner intended to avoid incurring data fees from other Services (e.g., proxying network traffic from Services to the public Internet or other destinations or excessive data processing through load balancing Services as described in the Documentation), and if you do, we may throttle or…

That reads to me like an admission that they know their normal bandwidth charges are ridiculous.
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