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Factory farming big in nature?

No more than human veganism in nature... No more than industrial farming and globalism. So how about we go back to nature and live a hunter gather lifestyle? Or are you against that because you want to live a selfish and destructive vegan lifestyle just so that you can virtue signal? How about this, go learn a thing about agriculture and how destructive that is to the environment and animals. If you truly care about…

Do explain how veganism is so "destructive" to the environment and animals.

Re: Animals killed since opening this page

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Most agriculture is only feasible in fertile lands. A majority of modern agriculture happens in river valleys once occupied by rainforests. In comparison, animal rearing is feasible in pretty desolate places as long as you can transport feed and water. Just claiming it's a lossy energy conversion is pretty irrelevant. Not all the 'calories' here are created equal.

Where do you think the feed comes from?

Did you get the impression that I am speaking for abolishing agriculture?

To answer your question, almost anything will do as feed. Byproducts of agriculture, grasslands, processed/filtered organic waste. Animals will thrive on rotten meat too -- famously leading to the mad cow disease.

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So, here's what I wonder about this. I think most people who think about it can agree that a lot of factory farming conditions are terrible. Cramped quarters, lack of outdoor time, space, exercise, poor food, etc. So working toward eliminating those problems seems incontrovertibly good to me. However, let's say hypothetically we're only talking about farms run with a focus on animal welfare. (And not just giving anim…

Yes, I think this is a totally valid point. Where I have come out on this (just a personal opinion) is that if the animal will have a "good" life (I know super subjective, I'll leave it to some ethicists and philosophers far smarter than me to figure out what that means) then it's logical to eat meat to create the demand so more of those animals are bred and can live "good" lives. All human lives result in death today too, I don't think we would consider parents monsters for having children because they will die someday, but we might if the children would be born into hellish conditions and the parents did it for selfish reasons and not for the child.

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How about setting an example first and not worrying about other countries?

But let's say hypothetically, if we stopped our people from eating meat entirely, doesn't that collapse the involved industries? Both foreign and domestic. What does that mean for impoverished countries who rely on exporting meat to other countries?

What country relies on exporting meat to other countries?

Re: Animals killed since opening this page

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Exporting cultural strictures rarely ends well (many historical examples, both distant and recent), so I'd say, if you can get a large number of people in the West to not eat meat, then you've reduced the suffering of animals by a tremendous amount. That alone is a perfectly fine goal. Let non-coercive cultural influence do the rest of the work, while never forcing a populace to do something against its interests or…

> while never forcing a populace to do something against its interests or will Except for the westerners who disagree with this. They can be subjugated.

You are welcome to believe that, but it doesn’t seem like an effective way of achieving anything, at least given the history of alcohol prohibition and drug criminalization.

Re: Animals killed since opening this page

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Just wish it was illegal to show smiling chickens on chicken packs. It desensitize people from treating meat as previously living beings. Ideally each animal product comes with the imagery like one you get now on cigarette packs (but of an animal in a cage/slaughterhouse) + appropriate cost increases for welfare. Recent law introduction of putting 1, 2, 3 stars on animal product packages to signify how well animal wa…

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Just wish it was illegal to show smiling chickens on chicken packs. It desensitize people from treating meat as previously living beings. Ideally each animal product comes with the imagery like one you get now on cigarette packs (but of an animal in a cage/slaughterhouse) + appropriate cost increases for welfare. Recent law introduction of putting 1, 2, 3 stars on animal product packages to signify how well animal wa…

Just your periodic reminder that a vegan diet is deficient and not sustainable.

Re: Animals killed since opening this page

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I"m assuming you're being sarcastic, but I would love a similar style page showing how many trees are burned and how many fish are harvested vs. how many fish are repopulated. Thinking about memes as living organisms (infomorphic beings?) would be an interesting way to frame cultural decay.

I wasn't. Plants are clearly important to our well being, more so than animals.

You are being equidistant. You can't compare the suffering of a pig or a cow with the suffering of a lettuce.

Considering we have to eat, we should try to minimize the suffering.

Re: Animals killed since opening this page

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What level of animal genocide would be acceptable to my vegan peers?

I think you are framing the problem incorrectly. I think that is this only about sheding some light to this problem, and beeing the intelligent humans that we are, take action. We are consuming much more meat than we need, as soon as you notice that, you can act and reduce some of you meat intake by replacing it with some good source of plant protein. When was the last time you had chickpeas, for example? Or any good source of legume protein?

Re: Animals killed since opening this page

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No more than human veganism in nature... No more than industrial farming and globalism. So how about we go back to nature and live a hunter gather lifestyle? Or are you against that because you want to live a selfish and destructive vegan lifestyle just so that you can virtue signal? How about this, go learn a thing about agriculture and how destructive that is to the environment and animals. If you truly care about…

Do explain how veganism is so "destructive" to the environment and animals.

Whenever I do, it gets flagged, but I'll give it another shot. Go learn about farming. It's the most environmentally destructive human activity. Go learn about how much land we would have to destroy in order to feed a terrible vegan diet to humanity. Trillions of animals ( insects, rodents, etc ) are killed to protect vegetation. Not to mention other animals like rabbits, deer, birds, etc that have to be wiped out. After all, you don't want a herd of deer or even elephants trampling on and eating your vegetation.

"Which means humans and wildlife are competing for fertile land for production of food and vegetation,” said Kitso Mokaila, Botswana’s minister of environment."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/man-vs-elephant/

Pretty much anywhere you have farms, you have to wipe out the animals to protect the vegetation. Whereas vegetation for livestock can be grown in poor quality land ( nebraska, dakotas, etc ), the crap that vegans eat cannot be grown there. Not only that, the crap that vegans eat - processed nuts, avocados, etc are extremely water expensive.

Ideally we'd all be hunter gatherers - pretty much 0 environmental footprint as you eat what mother nature provides. But given the human population that's unrealistic so the next best thing is livestock + vegetation ( omnivore diet ). The absolute worst thing is vegan diet as it is a terrible diet for humans, but it's also devastating for the environment as you'd need find a ridiculous amount of fertile land in warmer climates all over the world to destroy and farm since we can't raise the garbage vegans eat where we grow animal feed.

Also, if the world shifted to a vegan diet, then we'd have to get rid of pets since we'd have no source of meat for our cats, dogs, snakes, etc.

Vegans think the vegetation they eat drops down from heaven like manna. Nope, not only are trillions of animals killed to farm garbage for vegans, harvesting and processing also kills tons of animals. So much so that every bowl of salad is guaranteed to have many animal parts in them.

https://www.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defect...

So oddly enough, a lone vegan eating a bowl of salad is eating more animals than a family having steaks for dinner.

Also, humans aren't herbivore. Forcing humans to eat a herbivore diets is as wrong as forcing a herbivore to eat a carnivore diet. It's unnatural and deep down evil. But that's why some people support it so passionately I suppose. Vegans, anti-vax, flat earthers, etc are all the same type of people.

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