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San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by bernardom »

ulfw wrote: post #30
bernardom wrote: post #3

As soon as COVID is over we're out.

I'm legit curious. What's your definition of "over"? In a few years when vaccines have been found, 85% of people inoculated and no more proven Covid-19 cases have been found for 30 days? or...?

That's the million dollar question. When I feel not unsafe moving my family cross country?

We'll obviously need to accept some level of risk to do that, unless we're willing to wait for vaccines or herd immunity, as you pointed out. But it may well be a year.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by iamryo »

einpoklum wrote: post #63
exhilaration wrote: post #2

Per the article, this is based on an analysis of 1,200 searches done on their platform. It seems like a stretch to use those figures to reach conclusions for a city of over 800,000 residents.

But they are making a year-on-year relative analysis, so even for a non-representative sample, you can identify a strong trend.

The trend is still just searches. Do their historical search numbers closely represent actual figures for people coming and going?

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by aaomidi »

ueueshitashita wrote: post #100
aaomidi wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who realize housing people is cheaper than jailing them.

What is stopping the group of people who realize this from housing people?

The fetishization of "law and justice" in the United States and the world?

As a species it seems we enjoy jailing the "undesirables" rather than tolerating them and understanding them.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by landryraccoon »

fosk wrote: post #62
landryraccoon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High housing costs are probably a causal factor in all of the problems you mention. When housing costs are as exorbitant as they are, everyone is much closer to homelessness than they were before. If someone is laid off in the bay, they have significantly less time to find a new job before they cannot afford housing compared to more affordable areas. Once you are actually homeless, mental problems and drug issues can…

Perfect, if we determine that housing is an important cause, then can we: * Enact consequences for those that do refuse housing when available (ie, banning homeless lifestyle). * Arrest illegal aliens that are making the lack of housing even worse. * Stop open-air drug dealing and abuse so that people can get back on their feet. And if not, why not?

This sounds like it's based more on ideology than evidence.

> Enact consequences for those that do refuse housing when available (ie, banning homeless lifestyle).

You're saying that if someone homeless turns down free housing you want to arrest them? The obvious question is - where's the free housing you're talking about? Homeless shelters don't even have free beds, I'm pretty sure that the homeless would take a better indoor place to sleep if there was one available.

> Arrest illegal aliens that are making the lack of housing even worse.

I'm sorry, you think that migrant farm workers being paid less than minimum wage are the reason Google engineers have to get roommates, or why single family homes start at $1M and up? I really don't get it. Migrant workers aren't buying real estate.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by neuro_image3 »

jes5199 wrote: post #36
fosk wrote: post #13

> But there are many reasons why the region could finally be experiencing a shrinking population: And yet the author is missing the elephant in the room: the incredibly deteriorating living conditions in a city crammed with drug addicts, human feces and casual violent aggressions at all hours of the day. A city that enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability. Homelessness is - for the most part in Sa…

Lots of folks back East, they say, is leavin' home every day, Beatin' the hot old dusty way to the California line. 'Cross the desert sands they roll, gettin' out of that old dust bowl, They think they're goin' to a sugar bowl, but here's what they find Now, the police at the port of entry say, "You're number fourteen thousand for today." Oh, if you ain't got the do re mi, folks, you ain't got the do re mi, Why, you…

I just discovered Woody Guthrie after watching the "No direction home" documentary about Bob Dylon on Netflix.

There is incredible, timeless insight into the human condition in his work.

Thank you for posting this.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by cpitman »

renewiltord wrote: post #61
MattGaiser wrote: post #5

A friend considered it after graduation. 3500 a month for a place in rent. Eventually even with tech salaries that doesn’t make sense. He went to Seattle.

Seattle is a great choice. Salaries are similar. The politics aren’t idiotic. No state income tax. Standard of living is just as good.

Isn't Seattle the City Council where even the allegation of someone having worked with or been friends with Republicans becomes an election scandal?

edit: found the article that first brought this up to me (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/in-seattl...)

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by cpitman »

DamnYuppie wrote: post #93
_9vpl wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard great things about Columbus, OH. Never been there but sounds like a great midwest city with an affordable cost of living and nice college town (The Ohio State University).

Brutal winters though if you are coming from CA. Honestly one of the under rated large cities in the US is Cleveland. I have had to travel a lot for work over the years and was impressed by the dining options available and the general togetherness of the community there. Again winters...bad...

I grew up wearing shorts while there was snow on the ground, but Cleveland was the first city where I understood why scarves and gloves are a thing. Brutally cold wind.

But on the flipside, their street maintenance was amazing. It was snowing almost all the time during the winter, but the road were always clear.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by einpoklum »

fosk wrote: post #81
einpoklum wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability You mean by not having public housing? > Homelessness is - for the most part in San Francisco - a choice and/or a result of mental illness and drug addiction. It's obviously not a choice. It's also not the result of mental illness nor of drug addiction, at least for the most part, as people suffering from mental illness or addicted to some drug also don't…

They do refuse housing when it is being offered. In addition to this San Francisco does not cooperate with ICE to deport illegal aliens which make the housing problem worse. Do you agree that if they do refuse housing we need to do something about it? Do you also agree that we should start taking action in making more housing available by at least deporting illegal aliens? It is obvious by now - after 40 years - that…

> They do refuse housing when it is being offered.

This sounds rather incredible... can you back this claim up?

> they do refuse housing we need to do something about it?

Perhaps, but to be honest I'm quite baffled by this. I'm even surprised that San Francisco is offering 0-rent apartments to the homeless, when generally from what I know the rental market there is rather out of control.

> by at least deporting illegal aliens?

the problem you decried is people who are homeless and harass others on the streets. So, why use someone's legal immigration status as the criterion for action? I'd imagine most homeless are actually US citizens, and that illegal immigrants tend to find someplace to work and some decent sleeping arrangement.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by fosk »

aaomidi wrote: post #83
fosk wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So - as a result of your logic - you suggest that we allow crime and illegal aliens? We know it does make an impact because the police department regularly arrests them (since they cause negativities in the community) and regularly the courts release them so that they can go back to the same street corner to keep selling death. San Francisco truly is a law-less place.

Applying "illegal" to someone who is in your country without __papers please__, is just so astonishing to me. Why on earth do you give a shit who lives where in the world? I've immigrated to the US, legally, gone through all the paperwork and expenses. I don't give a fuck if "illegal" immigrants exist. I will continue to advocate for them and vote for policies that keep them safe.

Illegal immigrants do not have lawful ways to find a job. They will either get abused in one way or another, or they will start looking at illegal activities to survive (ie, drug dealing).

Encouraging illegal immigration - like you are suggesting by enabling them to come to San Francisco - not only is dangerous for the community but it is first and foremost dangerous for those people who come here thinking it's paradise on earth and end up being taken advantage of.

You are irresponsible. There are reasons why there are lawful ways to immigrate, it is not a game.

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