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Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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I am also curious about the effect of "private" communication channels for kids. They can be hidden to parents and friends irl but still remain public online. I have seen many groups of depressed teens online without adults or someone with experience in them. They all encourage each other to be more depressed because they all have a similarly sad life. The only perspective that gets shared is that life sucks and it i…

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Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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post #27

16-year-old here. My experience is probably markedly different from most teenagers in the US (I'm an immigrant who goes to a competitive school full of other immigrants) but I find that, for the most part, this article hits the nail on the head. High School is nothing like the usual media portrayal - I've never heard anyone even talk about a party, nobody's doing anything stronger than weed, nobody's fucking or even…

If there was something I could impart to this generation, it would be this. I deeply admire your commitment to entrepreneurialism and to taking a bit of ownership over what you can learn in terms of "return on investment." However, I would caution you to remember still what is the most rewarding in life. Too often I see a never-ending status tournament for those in the elite schools (all of those mentioned), and it c…

> And if I may be so bold, I believe that many would be well-served by realizing that out there beyond the cosmos above us is something that deeply loves each of us.

Unfalsifiable claims like this one tend to have a bit of baggage like eternal punishment. IMO that's one thing plaguing plenty of teens in rural parts of the US. They need fewer overseeing eyes, not more.

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have your own blog? I am impressed with the prose and content (and perspective! seems incredibly self-aware) of this comment, _especially_ considering your age. Since you say you too are playing the exhibition game, do you have a personal website? If not, I'm sure people would read what you have to write. It's interesting.

No, I don't have a blog. There aren't many things I'd like to write about, and pretty much all of the things I would like to write about have been written about more eloquently by others. There's a lot of subpar and garbage information in this world, especially on the internet, and I'd rather not contribute to the pile if I can help it.

> pretty much all of the things I would like to write about have been written about more eloquently by others

You may want to blog anyway https://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/you-should-write-b...

And it is kind of funny that I'm linking to another blog to make my point since "it has been written about have been written about more eloquently by others"

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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Finland has mandatory military service for males. So every year you most of the young men (mostly age 18 to 20) into a controlled environment and go through standardized testing and observation.

- Physical fitness has gone down, overweight goes up.

- Intelligence peaked among those who were born in 70's and has been in slight decline last 18 years. Similar results can be seen in other developed countries.

- Anxiety disorders and depression have increased.

- Social skills have gone up. Young men are more social and better at working together than any time before.

- At the same time there is small but growing group of young men with almost no social skills. They can't get friends or maintain friendships or work in a group.

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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Everyone wants a child to be a responsible grown up adult. Stolen childhood.

For almost the entirety of human history, 12 was old enough to get a job and look after a family. It's modernity that's the aberration here. Our obsession with keeping children immature has nothing to do with their well-being, and everything to do with adults deriving a sick emotional satisfaction from it. I think history will judge our obsession with keeping children from growing up in the same way we judge foot bin…

> For almost the entirety of human history, 12 was old enough to get a job and look after a family.

And a lot of those kids ended badly, exploited and literally had no future. The people who could afford it, did not had their 12 years old working in factories nor being responsible for "looking after a family".

In good times in family farms, the kids contributed to work basically from 5 years old (and yes, 5 years old had higher incidents rates then they have now). But they were not treated as adults at 12 at all.

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

#106

After decades of increasingly rebellious movements, it seems like the last few have been rebellion for the sake of rebellion - progress for the sake of progress. Perhaps this is the pendulum swinging back.

I would say that it’s more due to the data showing that if you’re not in the top quintile of income/wealth (maybe even top decile), then you’re going to fall further and further behind in the income/wealth gap, and probably also handicapping your descendants chances of being in the portion of society who has increasing wealth/income/security.

So the pressure is there because the pressure is actually there in real life. Who can afford to take chances when a medical bill can ruin your family’s chances at having a stable future?

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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Wow, that’s so sad. Y’all raising your kids horrible, no bueno whatsoever. America was born in a tavern. Ben Franklin was a real lady killer. Churchill saved our world mostly hungover. Jimmy Hendrix really thought he was a Martian These kids will never amount to anything. Lost generation. Hope there’s a huge backlash...there has to be, human spirit isn’t built for such a sad and pathetic life - hell, at this point, I…

Your site is down. You will never amount to anything if you can't keep a 99.999% uptime. Go learn about distributed kubernetes instead of calling kids pathetic here. Shoo! :) https://ulisesrmzroche.info/

It’s been down forever, no one gives a shit except for the randoms here.

You’re not even following my point that it’s rebelliousness that brings innovation, not trying to impress random strangers like you

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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Wow, that’s so sad. Y’all raising your kids horrible, no bueno whatsoever. America was born in a tavern. Ben Franklin was a real lady killer. Churchill saved our world mostly hungover. Jimmy Hendrix really thought he was a Martian These kids will never amount to anything. Lost generation. Hope there’s a huge backlash...there has to be, human spirit isn’t built for such a sad and pathetic life - hell, at this point, I…

> These kids will never amount to anything. I’m not sure that’s what they need to hear.

Of course they do. I’m sure a lot of them feel the same way I do.

I mean they’re not even falling in love. What kind of life is that?

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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post #27

16-year-old here. My experience is probably markedly different from most teenagers in the US (I'm an immigrant who goes to a competitive school full of other immigrants) but I find that, for the most part, this article hits the nail on the head. High School is nothing like the usual media portrayal - I've never heard anyone even talk about a party, nobody's doing anything stronger than weed, nobody's fucking or even…

Wow, how things have change from when I was a teen in HS in the early 90s. I was a 'responsible' one because I had a job. Few people thought about 'getting in' (IIRC the valedictorian went to the AF academy), but otherwise we all just wanted to graduate and go to one of the 2 big state schools or the local college. I was smart enough, i.e. paid attention in class, that I never had to study (that caught up with me in college). Weekends were spent hanging out at the beach and trying to find someone to buy us beer. Parties were common and there were the occasional fist fights, but nothing too serious. It was definitely a simpler time.

I think the documentation of a persons entire life from birth has removed the opportunity for kids to make mistakes and learn while they are young. It's unfortunate because I did a lot of dumb things as a kid, and while none of it was too serious, I was able to learn lessons without having it necessarily follow me around the rest of my life. Now they are all just entertaining stories.

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