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Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by wgerard »

viklove wrote: post #97
wgerard wrote: post #43

Long-term NYC resident here (I haven't hit my decade yet, so I'll avoid calling myself a New Yorker to dodge any ire). I've heard rumblings from a lot of people about moving out, mostly from people who haven't really set down roots here - which makes sense. The appeal of New York is largely all the stuff to do, and without being able to do stuff you're just stuck in a very small space that you pay a lot of money for.…

"I'm not leaving because of the virus, I'm leaving because because of the virus I can't go out" Strange distinction to make, isn't it?

Eh, not really.

A lot of the discussion revolves around mortality rates, and in particular about NYC as the US epicenter.

Most people I talk to who are thinking about leaving the city aren't concerned about their own risk as a result of being in a dense urban center, rather the lifestyle adjustments are the most difficult thing for them.

Granted that's almost entirely because most people I talk to are relatively healthy young adults who are being responsible and avoiding contact as much as possible, so they're not concerned as much about their own mortality or being a possible vector for others.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by burrows »

ahelwer wrote: post #95
burrows wrote: post #85

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> it still makes sense to provide socialized housing and free mental health support to people who are homeless, because there is no other way they'll become "productive" again without that base. People that agree with this statement should organize and do just that. Leave everyone else out of it. > Or you can view it as us paying for the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets fr…

You'll be happy to know we are indeed organizing! https://www.taxamazon.net/sign Perhaps one day you'll appreciate the psychopathy of telling people they should just move away from their lifelong home. Not everyone is a detached knowledge worker hopping around sampling cities like they're a plate of hors d'oeuvres. Moving is also quite expensive.

> You'll be happy to know we are indeed organizing! https://www.taxamazon.net/sign

You believe the low income housing market is underserved.

1. Raise money (your "Tax Amazon" friends are a good start).

2. Build housing.

3. Sell to underserved segment.

> Perhaps one day you'll appreciate the psychopathy of telling people they should just move away from their lifelong home. Not everyone is a detached knowledge worker hopping around sampling cities like they're a plate of hors d'oeuvres.

You flirt!

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by wgerard »

subpixel wrote: post #91
wgerard wrote: post #43

Long-term NYC resident here (I haven't hit my decade yet, so I'll avoid calling myself a New Yorker to dodge any ire). I've heard rumblings from a lot of people about moving out, mostly from people who haven't really set down roots here - which makes sense. The appeal of New York is largely all the stuff to do, and without being able to do stuff you're just stuck in a very small space that you pay a lot of money for.…

I left when Day Care closed and am not sure how I feel about ever returning while social distancing is still common sense. Because Day Care is essentially exposing yourself to the germs carried by twenty other children, their families, the caregivers, and their families.

Yeah, quite a few people with small children I know have left to be close to parents/in-laws (somewhat I assume to get some help with the additional childcare burden), and I'm curious to see if they come back.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by viklove »

wgerard wrote: post #101
viklove wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm not leaving because of the virus, I'm leaving because because of the virus I can't go out" Strange distinction to make, isn't it?

Eh, not really. A lot of the discussion revolves around mortality rates, and in particular about NYC as the US epicenter. Most people I talk to who are thinking about leaving the city aren't concerned about their own risk as a result of being in a dense urban center, rather the lifestyle adjustments are the most difficult thing for them. Granted that's almost entirely because most people I talk to are relatively heal…

I mean, they kinda are concerned about the risk of mortality, aren't they? That's the only reason they're not going about their lives as normal. If you removed the risk of mortality, surely their lifestyles would return to normal, and they would have no reason to leave?

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by wgerard »

viklove wrote: post #104
wgerard wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, not really. A lot of the discussion revolves around mortality rates, and in particular about NYC as the US epicenter. Most people I talk to who are thinking about leaving the city aren't concerned about their own risk as a result of being in a dense urban center, rather the lifestyle adjustments are the most difficult thing for them. Granted that's almost entirely because most people I talk to are relatively heal…

I mean, they kinda are concerned about the risk of mortality, aren't they? That's the only reason they're not going about their lives as normal. If you removed the risk of mortality, surely their lifestyles would return to normal, and they would have no reason to leave?

> I mean, they kinda are concerned about the risk of mortality, aren't they?

Not their own mortality, which is a pretty major distinction. They're social distancing largely so they don't spread it to other, more susceptible, people unwittingly.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by WalterBright »

ahelwer wrote: post #94
WalterBright wrote: post #87

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> the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets The vast bulk of the Seattle homeless are homeless due to drug and alcohol addiction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw Even "60 Minutes" did a segment on it in the last year, and they kept finding drug and alcohol addiction underlying the problems of the Seattle homeless they profiled.

Yes, drug & alcohol addiction is widespread in the general non-homeless population and makes it difficult to ensure steady income. When the cost of rent rises dramatically, this means people with those issues are likely to find themselves homeless. Addictions are difficult to kick in the best of times (who among us doesn't know of some rich kid who's been in and out of rehab into their 30s?) and basically impossible…

Drug and alcohol addiction leads to homelessness because nobody wants to hire an addict and addicts prioritize spending on their addiction. Cheaper housing will not fix it, because the cost of housing is not the problem.

My point is that solutions will fail if they do not recognize and treat the actual cause. Otherwise you're treating lung cancer with antibiotics. It won't work. And it hasn't worked.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by leetcrew »

mdszy wrote: post #47
ahelwer wrote: post #16

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Because Seattle's a pretty great city to live in? You can still easily find rent below $1500/month for a 1 bedroom on Capitol Hill, it isn't too insane. Editing to add Seattle has world-class rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking under an hour's drive from downtown, and if you aren't doing that you're probably missing out on half the joy of living here.

$1500/month is absolutely insane for one bedroom lol My apartment is $850 and that gets me 2 bedrooms, 1200sqft. In a definitely not as large city mind you, but $1500 is insanely expensive for one bedroom.

what kinds of businesses can you walk to?

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by ballenf »

beamatronic wrote: post #78
mdszy wrote: post #47

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$1500/month is absolutely insane for one bedroom lol My apartment is $850 and that gets me 2 bedrooms, 1200sqft. In a definitely not as large city mind you, but $1500 is insanely expensive for one bedroom.

Ever looked into San Francisco prices?

SF is practically free compared to a room on the International Space Station.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by Fricken »

vonmoltke wrote: post #99
Fricken wrote: post #72

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High density neighbourhoods are too popular, nobody lives in those places anymore.

Unlike restaurants, which the original quote referred to, people sometimes live in places they don't like because of extenuating circumstances. Just because a whole bunch of people are living in densely-packed neighborhoods doesn't mean they all want to live in them.

If nobody wanted to live in these places they wouldn't be so expensive. Law of supply and demand.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by fh973 »

bestnameever wrote: post #58
crooked-v wrote: post #37

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On the other hand, California has a much lower death rate despite having cities with a population density in the same magnitude as NYC, which seems to suggest some level of luck of the draw here in initial unrecorded spread before lockdowns came into place.

> California has a much lower death rate despite having cities with a population density in the same magnitude as NYC New York is denser than any city in California. "New York is far more crowded than any other major city in the United States. It has 28,000 residents per square mile, while San Francisco, the next most jammed city, has 17,000, according to data from the U.S. Census Bur" https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03…

Manhattan 69,467 per square mile (Wikipedia).
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