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The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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So according to this video these psychoanalysts completely redefined a good number of emotionally charged terms when developing their theories? Or did people hear the words and redefine them later? The wanton disregard for existing structures really bugs me, perhaps more than it should. It's seemingly intentionally misleading, like they're afraid other people will find their conclusions too simplistic so they intenti…

Google n-grams has "sexual perversion," "neurosis" and "psychosis" all picking up between 1860 and 1900, i.e. as psychoanalysis was picking up steam. Most likely they got there first. Interestingly, the frequency of "perversion" was steady through that period, so in this case the psychoanalysts did attach a new meaning to an existing word ("the alteration of something from its original course").

There was a huge spike of "prevert" from 1989 to 1995! What an exciting time that was to be alive.

But I wonder what fun I missed out on during the Great Prevert Spike Of 1807 -- that looks like it was quite a party.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=prevert&year_s...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud9zBKJJQe4

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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From the video... Psychopath Languages: Javascript, PHP, VBA, and SQL Masochist Languages: C, Assembly, Ada, Brainfuck, and Factor Sadist Languages: Perl, Clojure, Erlang, and Regex Fetishistic Languages: Erlang, Smalltalk, Elixir, and Factor Obsessional Languages: Java, C++, Haskell, Scala, Go Hysterical Languages: Python, Ruby, C#, Prolog, Elixir, and Matlib Depression Languages: COBOL Melancholy Languages: Lisp, S…

Not sure why Erlang is in the sadist category, along with Perl and Regexp, since it's one of the most readable language I've encountered. I get the fetishist part as it emphasizes a specific paradigm but sadist seems unfair. It might be because the syntax is slightly unusual but it's in fact quite simple.

The sadist (causing anxiety to the other in order to get the other to announce the rules) wants the other to admit their impotence (in the way that the other develops software). The erlang community wants the other to admit that they can't develop software that has nine nines of availability.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Here's something a friend of mine wrote about one of Žižek's movies: >I don’t usually recommend movies, but I really got a lot out “The perverts guide to ideology“ >Essentially it’s a well presented theory that any particular ideology is a sum of components that can be combined to create a complete undeniable way of living. Nationalism, ethnicity, religion, atheism, capitalism, socialism (and many others) are all com…

I was about to make the comment about the Zizek connection but you beat me to it! Fun fact, Zizek came in a very close 4th place for President of Solvenia in 1990. I was shocked that he almost became a legitimate president back in the day.

To be fair who can out debate him.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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This was fascinating. I'd condense the overall sentiment to, "Pleasure is desireable and pain is inevitable. When and where do you get pleasure and avoid pain?" Also, these definitions are different than the common definitions. Here's a rough digest: Psychopaths: I don't care about rules, types, or beauty, just get it done (JS) Obsessives: a little monotony now avoids a lot of pain later (go, java) Masochists: Look a…

It’s a great digest, I wouldn’t watch the talk but now I’m certainly more interested.

Added talk to the watch later list.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why Erlang is in the sadist category, along with Perl and Regexp, since it's one of the most readable language I've encountered. I get the fetishist part as it emphasizes a specific paradigm but sadist seems unfair. It might be because the syntax is slightly unusual but it's in fact quite simple.

The sadist (causing anxiety to the other in order to get the other to announce the rules) wants the other to admit their impotence (in the way that the other develops software). The erlang community wants the other to admit that they can't develop software that has nine nines of availability.

Isn't it sadistic the way Perl and Bash are so ideal for developers gaining control over their employers and ensuring job security by making themselves indispensable (forcing their employers to admit their impotence of firing them) by writing obscure unmaintainable code that only they can understand and modify?

You can do that in any language, of course, but Perl and Bash are are optimized for it.

While the other hand, Java is designed to appeal to management by making software developers fungible easily disposable worker-bees.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why Erlang is in the sadist category, along with Perl and Regexp, since it's one of the most readable language I've encountered. I get the fetishist part as it emphasizes a specific paradigm but sadist seems unfair. It might be because the syntax is slightly unusual but it's in fact quite simple.

The sadist (causing anxiety to the other in order to get the other to announce the rules) wants the other to admit their impotence (in the way that the other develops software). The erlang community wants the other to admit that they can't develop software that has nine nines of availability.

I'd have thought C++ was the poster-perversion for this. The community wants users to admit they can't develop software at all.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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From the video... Psychopath Languages: Javascript, PHP, VBA, and SQL Masochist Languages: C, Assembly, Ada, Brainfuck, and Factor Sadist Languages: Perl, Clojure, Erlang, and Regex Fetishistic Languages: Erlang, Smalltalk, Elixir, and Factor Obsessional Languages: Java, C++, Haskell, Scala, Go Hysterical Languages: Python, Ruby, C#, Prolog, Elixir, and Matlib Depression Languages: COBOL Melancholy Languages: Lisp, S…

Matlab should be in the Hysterical, Psychopath, Masochist and Sadist categories. Worst time I've ever had writing something non trivial was in Matlab. I once ran into a bug in their GC that was apparently 5+ years old and had to time line to fix. For context this was about 8 years ago and I was asked to do it in Matlab for a neuroscience lab I was working for. I would have chosen C++ or Python and interfaced with the C++ binaries.

Edit: Misread the above post. He said Matlib not Matlab. Not sure if that was a type or just referring to the plotting library, but my feelings towards Matlab still stand!

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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From the video... Psychopath Languages: Javascript, PHP, VBA, and SQL Masochist Languages: C, Assembly, Ada, Brainfuck, and Factor Sadist Languages: Perl, Clojure, Erlang, and Regex Fetishistic Languages: Erlang, Smalltalk, Elixir, and Factor Obsessional Languages: Java, C++, Haskell, Scala, Go Hysterical Languages: Python, Ruby, C#, Prolog, Elixir, and Matlib Depression Languages: COBOL Melancholy Languages: Lisp, S…

Where do Nock and Hoon belong (from Urbit, for those who are out of the loop)?

They both out of the chart!

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Critical theory is a communicable memetic mental disorder.

Yeah, but so is nearly everything else. Money, sexuality and gender, architectural designs, military tradition, the list goes on without end. Nearly our entire society is a communicable memecomplex, and additionally, nearly every meme is logically incoherent, or at least logically unfounded. By the very implied claim that you make that mental disorders exist, you also imply that there is such a thing as ordered menta…

Our bridges stand. Our rockets fly, and our planes (tend) to not drop out of the air unexpectedly. If not for some healthy logical reasoning, correct patterns of thought, and ordered mental states, then what? Yes, it's fun to discuss this kind of thing, and a lot of what we do is irrational, but it's just as often sophistry as anything else. I note, of course, that you did only say 'nearly', but that's basically exactly what I mean.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was about to make the comment about the Zizek connection but you beat me to it! Fun fact, Zizek came in a very close 4th place for President of Solvenia in 1990. I was shocked that he almost became a legitimate president back in the day.

To be fair who can out debate him.

At least three other people?
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