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Re: Employers who use software to take screenshots of workers’ computers

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Agreed, and bring it on. If this becomes a thing then I'll run a platform you can outsource your busy time in a VM to. This sounds like a ton of fun TBH and makes me think of game automation. Evolving into a game of cat and mouse and giving me an excuse to spend more time messing w/ OpenAI.

This is how the AI takes over, we automate ourselves in silly ways. How do we know we aren't bots doing someone else's work?

Would it change anything if we knew we were? :)

Re: Employers who use software to take screenshots of workers’ computers

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But they way you do your job is private, think of it as intellectual property, your know-how, your tricks. In EU this would probably be not allowed. E. G. in Poland it is not allowed to record how teachers teach as it is their IP.

In most of Europe it's rather rooted in privacy of communications as a basic right, plus regulated labour rights that come from unionization.

I love the European way. It’s shocking to me considering the US was founded and largely consists of descendants of Europeans, how our work cultures can be so extremely different. Every single person on my family tree for both of my grandmothers are from Germany and Switzerland, going back 5 generations. There has to be shared cultural traits passed down to us.

We need to at least move to being more like Canada, if not Germany. Tough to ever happen as our class war has long been won/dominated by the investment class. Employees here aren’t even cognizant the class war is going on. If they were, they’d choose denial to avoid having to punch up and prefer to focus on fellow workers or energy on disdain for people in public assistance. Ignoring that low tax rates for the wealthy is much larger and harmful public assistance (socialism).

Re: Employers who use software to take screenshots of workers’ computers

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As a company owner, I've resisted the temptation to do this. We did make it easy for our employees to behave themselves by making it very easy to 'clock in' and 'clock out.' I told everybody that this is a time to be close to family - if your child wants to play ball in the middle of the day, then go ahead! Just clock out before you do. Get your 8 hours in and document your work. Thankfully everybody has responded we…

Actually clocking in seems a fairly outdated method for tech workers. I certainly wouldn‘t want to work in an environment where the manager has such a low view of trust on the people he employs.

Re: Employers who use software to take screenshots of workers’ computers

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As a company owner, I've resisted the temptation to do this. We did make it easy for our employees to behave themselves by making it very easy to 'clock in' and 'clock out.' I told everybody that this is a time to be close to family - if your child wants to play ball in the middle of the day, then go ahead! Just clock out before you do. Get your 8 hours in and document your work. Thankfully everybody has responded we…

Good to hear that you care about your employees and understand that he likes the chats. Generally, IMO, you shouldn't be hiring people and then checking up on them and their hours to keep them honest. There's better uses of time. That time spent tracking and keeping them honest doesn't really improve you, them or the company.

You're right - I shouldn't have to do it. But he's a good guy, and I'm happy to invest the time to see him through this difficult time. I couldn't sustain it if all my employees were like that, but right now it's a small burden to help someone that seems to need it.

Re: Employers who use software to take screenshots of workers’ computers

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As a company owner, I've resisted the temptation to do this. We did make it easy for our employees to behave themselves by making it very easy to 'clock in' and 'clock out.' I told everybody that this is a time to be close to family - if your child wants to play ball in the middle of the day, then go ahead! Just clock out before you do. Get your 8 hours in and document your work. Thankfully everybody has responded we…

Why is it tied to time, instead of deliverables? I mean, if I work extra hard to get the days work done in 4 hours, why can’t I leave early compared to a co-worker who is working less focused and more slowly? I get that it’s not easy to set good milestones, and to keep it fair in terms of making sure everyone has approximately equal work, but I feel the same problems exist with required work “time” especially since i…

I limit our employees work to 40 hours a week so we don't have burn out. I want people to work hard and then go home.

So far, so good: Our employees are constantly coming up with better ways of doing things - with less stress, hassle, and annoyance. Over the last three years, our works has gone from suffering 40 hours to an enjoyable but hard-working 40 hours. Our retention rate has gone from 40% to 95%.

Re: Employers who use software to take screenshots of workers’ computers

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I would quit the moment I found out something like this was being instituted. I think most companies that need to hire top talent know that these kinds of things drive away talent. So these practices tend to be relegated to a lower tier of companies/employers.

if only i could be top tier talent, and my employer would let me do only the work i am explicitly given.

when an individual task is complete, there is always someone that could use help, or an idea to document, or one of a million things you want the 'top tier' to be involved in.

there is an infinite amount of work to be done. seriously. 40 hours a week is a way to meter it.

monitoring it, not very effective or valuable. weigh the contribution people make, not the hours they put in. but 40 hours a week is the expected amount of work focus today.

Re: Employers who use software to take screenshots of workers’ computers

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I understand that managers have a need to keep track of how their team members are performing, and that their job is a lot harder when their team is working remotely. But I think It's possible to collect productivity metrics without obliterating employee trust. I'm working on a tool to do this but I’ve stalled in the project because I’m having a hard time reconciling whether it benefits companies enough to pay for it…

If you have good domain knowledge and regular 1:1s, remote or not, it should be pretty darn easy to know if your team is being productive. Why is this so difficult?

Re: Employers who use software to take screenshots of workers’ computers

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As a company owner, I've resisted the temptation to do this. We did make it easy for our employees to behave themselves by making it very easy to 'clock in' and 'clock out.' I told everybody that this is a time to be close to family - if your child wants to play ball in the middle of the day, then go ahead! Just clock out before you do. Get your 8 hours in and document your work. Thankfully everybody has responded we…

Why is it tied to time, instead of deliverables? I mean, if I work extra hard to get the days work done in 4 hours, why can’t I leave early compared to a co-worker who is working less focused and more slowly? I get that it’s not easy to set good milestones, and to keep it fair in terms of making sure everyone has approximately equal work, but I feel the same problems exist with required work “time” especially since i…

> Unless they’re contractors/consultants who bill by the hour, of course.

Unless an 8 hour day of work was part of the agreement of the job.

There's no more to it than that. You signed up for an 8 hour work day. An emergency situation in which you work from home isn't going to change that.

Otherwise, why would you peg your performance to the lowest common denominator.

Re: Employers who use software to take screenshots of workers’ computers

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I understand that managers have a need to keep track of how their team members are performing, and that their job is a lot harder when their team is working remotely. But I think It's possible to collect productivity metrics without obliterating employee trust. I'm working on a tool to do this but I’ve stalled in the project because I’m having a hard time reconciling whether it benefits companies enough to pay for it…

If you have good domain knowledge and regular 1:1s, remote or not, it should be pretty darn easy to know if your team is being productive. Why is this so difficult?

I completely agree, but then why do these tools exist in the first place?

I think it comes down to a few things. 1. There are managers that do not have good domain knowledge. 2. They don't have regular 1 on 1's, or anything else that good managers do.

Essentially you're assuming that all managers are good, or even competent when most of us have had experience to contradict this.

Which is essentially my conundrum: good managers won't need my service, and bad managers won't even be looking for it

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