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Re: A Message About Vanguard From Our Security and Privacy Teams

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Post by Bayart » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 2:12 AM UTC

sbarre wrote: post #67

hellcow wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is being downvoted, but this is an important point. The Chinese government has repeatedly shown they'll work with Chinese companies to carry out the government's agenda. Do you really think that after 100M people install this kernel driver that the Chinese government won't lean on Tencent to gain access, or use it beyond its original purpose?

So let me ask you a question then.. Do you feel the same way about Microsoft and Apple, and every other company that provides a hardware driver for a modern computer, and whether state governments (USA included) put pressure on them to let them advance their agenda by using back doors in their drivers or software? Why is Riot special in all this? What, in your view, makes them more likely to be so secretly and so dee…

China passed a law in 2017 requiring all Chinese citizens and organizations to comply with their intelligence departments in relinquishing any information it needs, as well as to keep it secret.

See https://en.pkulaw.cn/display.aspx?cgid=313975&lib=law

A US agency may put pressure on a US company, but the company would be perfectly within its rights to refuse to comply. The only exceptions are well documented and go through the judiciary which is separate from the executive branch of government.

A Chinese company has by law no choice but to comply.

Re: A Message About Vanguard From Our Security and Privacy Teams

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Post by swiley » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:49 AM UTC

danaris wrote: post #93

swiley wrote: post #33

League of legends is a real pain in the ass to play even when you’re doing everything right. Personally I don’t even like the game, it’s just popular so I played it to hang out with friends. The way their launcher handles updates is crazy inefficient and so it always takes hours to launch if it launches at all. It also runs terribly in wine.

...Hours? The longest update I've ever had for League of Legends (in the ~6 years I've been playing casually) is about 20 minutes. And I'm on Mac—not exactly the high-priority platform for them. Since they changed their launcher system a few months ago, it's been unusual to have to wait more than ~2 minutes for a new patch.

That's true if you update often.

If you're like me and only played occasionally the updates would build up and take very long.

Re: A Message About Vanguard From Our Security and Privacy Teams

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Post by sbarre » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 5:01 PM UTC

Bayart wrote: post #101

sbarre wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So let me ask you a question then.. Do you feel the same way about Microsoft and Apple, and every other company that provides a hardware driver for a modern computer, and whether state governments (USA included) put pressure on them to let them advance their agenda by using back doors in their drivers or software? Why is Riot special in all this? What, in your view, makes them more likely to be so secretly and so dee…

China passed a law in 2017 requiring all Chinese citizens and organizations to comply with their intelligence departments in relinquishing any information it needs, as well as to keep it secret. See https://en.pkulaw.cn/display.aspx?cgid=313975&lib=law A US agency may put pressure on a US company, but the company would be perfectly within its rights to refuse to comply. The only exceptions are well documented and go…

You've heard of the FISA Court right? And all the details that Snowden released about it? How do you see those secret requests as not effectively the same thing as what you are describing about China's laws?

I don't consider myself a tin-foil-hat wearing type, but even I don't believe that our (western/NATO/5-Eyes etc) governments don't have their own secret powers they can use to compel businesses to comply with information gathering requests without divulging that they did so.