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Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

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Post by jasonlotito »

EGreg wrote: post #85
coderdude wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>IE8 is better than IE6, but if someone is going to upgrade their browser, they should upgrade to the best one available. On windows XP, they can't get IE9, but they can get Chrome, Firefox, or Opera. As I said in an earlier comment, it's not in Microsoft's best interest to move people off Microsoft browsers but it is in developers' best interest to have them move to at least IE8. It's a much better browser that requ…

But it's in the developers' even BETTER interest to move them to Chrome or Firefox. Why wouldn't they just install this? http://code.google.com/chrome/chromeframe/ Microsoft is obviously doing this to keep IE relevant.

If IE wasn't relevant, this wouldn't be a discussion here.

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

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Post by Pahalial »

mkr-hn wrote: post #25
jquery wrote: post #21

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> This is after not suffering _any_ attack, malware or otherwise, in all the years since XP came out, so I'm not terribly concerned. Just curious, how do you know you haven't suffered any attack?

Because it would have to come through a vector that I haven't completely walled off, and those are exceedingly rare (like the WMF thing ages ago). I keep up on vulnerabilities, and I'd do a paranoia reinstall if I suspected I were affected by one. It would be one of these: * Noscript exploit * Simultaneous Flashblock + Flash exploit * Image-based exploit * Renderer exploit And those are extremely rare. My software st…

You are clearly the typical XP+IE6 user being targeted by this campaign.

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

#103

Post by jiffifrazik »

mkr-hn wrote: post #99
jiffifrazik wrote: post #90

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You are a Microsoft astroturfer, right? (Before downvoting, people, read up on this. Microsoft does it. "coderdude"'s "website" is a vaguely Microsoftian coming-soon page...)

This is an interesting thing for a guy who's been registered for a half hour to say.

I'm a web standards astroturfer, myself.

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

#104

Post by coderdude »

mkr-hn wrote: post #99
jiffifrazik wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a Microsoft astroturfer, right? (Before downvoting, people, read up on this. Microsoft does it. "coderdude"'s "website" is a vaguely Microsoftian coming-soon page...)

This is an interesting thing for a guy who's been registered for a half hour to say.

He has only so far made like 5 comments and all were responses to me. Including "Shut. Up."

I'm pretty sure someone is just really uncomfortable with the things I'm saying so they created this account to help combat my lies.

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

#105

Post by [deleted] »

Pahalial wrote: post #102
mkr-hn wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it would have to come through a vector that I haven't completely walled off, and those are exceedingly rare (like the WMF thing ages ago). I keep up on vulnerabilities, and I'd do a paranoia reinstall if I suspected I were affected by one. It would be one of these: * Noscript exploit * Simultaneous Flashblock + Flash exploit * Image-based exploit * Renderer exploit And those are extremely rare. My software st…

You are clearly the typical XP+IE6 user being targeted by this campaign.

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Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

#106

Post by mkr-hn »

coderdude wrote: post #104
mkr-hn wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an interesting thing for a guy who's been registered for a half hour to say.

He has only so far made like 5 comments and all were responses to me. Including "Shut. Up." I'm pretty sure someone is just really uncomfortable with the things I'm saying so they created this account to help combat my lies .

Now I'm wondering whether it's an alt or a random passerby. Got any interesting enemies?

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

#107

Post by coderdude »

mkr-hn wrote: post #106
coderdude wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has only so far made like 5 comments and all were responses to me. Including "Shut. Up." I'm pretty sure someone is just really uncomfortable with the things I'm saying so they created this account to help combat my lies .

Now I'm wondering whether it's an alt or a random passerby. Got any interesting enemies?

Nah, but there are some seriously peeved guys in here that do not want to hear what some people are saying.

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

#108

Post by jasonlotito »

sjs wrote: post #68
maukdaddy wrote: post #11

Do geeks always need something to bitch about? Microsoft is at least making an effort to do as most people wish, getting users to upgrade from IE6.

Your HN profile says you love technology and the Internet but your comment doesn't support that claim at all. We don't just want people off IE6, we want people on modern browsers. Everyone needs something to bitch about. You bitching about how geeks need something to bitch about is a prime example, not to mention all of us bitching about you bitching about our bitching.

> Your HN profile says you love technology and the Internet but your comment doesn't support that claim at all. We don't just want people off IE6, we want people on modern browsers.

The problem is people are making a big deal out of MS suggesting developers encourage users to upgrade to IE8. Of course MS is going to say that. Developers are big boys and girls, however, and if they want, they can suggest other browsers as well... like they've been doing for years now.

So, this response to MS is worthless. It's saying something everyone who cares already knows about, and encourages those who don't know to do something.

Yes, the best bet would be if everyone switched over to Firefox, open and free standards, cherry pie for everyone, no patents, along with coffee and tea. Everyone running the same standard OS that takes care of updating for you.

But that's not going to happen.

Basically: MS encourages people to move off IE6 to IE8. These are for people who are still on IE6... people who probably don't know Mozilla, don't use Apple, and have no clue who Opera is. Google Chrome makes no sense. Geek gets upset they suggest IE8 and posts a worthless self-masturbatory rant about how MS wants people to use IE over FF, O, or Webkit. This post then gets posted to HN, where, but some odd miracle, it sparks two types of posters.

Those who are happy MS is helping get people off IE6. Thank god for small miracles.

Then those who are pretty much adding nothing to the discussion by repeating what the original post said. HN's version of AOL's "me too".

Yes. I'm bitching.

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

#109

Post by ElliotH »

coderdude wrote: post #77
rbanffy wrote: post #48

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> In what alternate universe is it a good idea for Microsoft to attempt to convert their users to a non-Microsoft browser (from Microsoft's stand-point)? Exactly. It's stupid for Microsoft, but everyone else would benefit from no longer having to cope with Internet Explorer. Heck. Even Microsoft would stop spending money developing their browsers and that would certainly improve their bottom line (much like abandonin…

The only people "coping" with IE are Web developers. Most users that have something greater than IE6 never even notice that poor experience nor do they know any better to begin with -- I don't even think a lot of users could tell the difference if you showed them. Try showing your grandmother why Chrome is better. I know I would have a hard time "selling it." >Heck. Even Microsoft would stop spending money developing…

Some of the least technically inclined people I know massively prefer Chrome to Internet Explorer. Chrome has a noticeable speed advantage, nags less and within an hours casual use it has their favorite sites one click away when they open the browser. These are all noticeable improvements, even to users who couldn't care less about web standards.

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

#110

Post by alanh »

ryanwatkins wrote: post #92
wheels wrote: post #84

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-Microsoft IS NOT going to suggest that people download Firefox or Chrome. I really don't understand the benefit of IE having its own rendering engine . While I can't imagine MS abandoning IE, I can't see any business reason (other than hubris) for them maintaining a worst-of-breed rendering and JS engine at great cost to themselves. (And just for the record, basically agree with you on all points.)

I guess you missed the articles here about about Microsoft's massive commitment to backward compatibility and why they do it? From just the other day : http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2281045 and http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html Ditching the current rendering engine would break a ton of apps.

Those “web” apps are then already broken, by definition.
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