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I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

knolax wrote: post #97
throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your own conduct so far would qualify as "confusing the issue" Nope, it was very precisely stated about you making stuff up. Nothing confusing there. > and your screed against these "pro CPP" is decidedly "off-track" In what way? Contrariwise, it was entirely on-track.

My comment was made in reply to GP's and was a description and criticism of what he said. You seemed to have either genuinely or deliberately missed that point. When I clarified this you did not address the content of any of my arguments and instead went on a rant about how "pro CCP" people argue, which is off track because neither the article or I are "pro CCP".

You have ignored my point that I was precise and did not confuse the issue. Also not answered was why I was supposedly "off track" when I was not.

Which is exactly how so many CCP supporters argue.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#102

Post by knolax »

bhanhfo wrote: post #99
TeMPOraL wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. Citation needed. Which numbers have been proved to be incorrect ? So far, all I've seen is everyone saying the equivalent of "it's China so they must be lying".

You know very well that it is impossible to get accurate numbers at this point. Even the graveyards in Wuhan are currently locked and guarded. So what kind of source do you expect me to link to?

So how do you know that the graveyards are locked? Care to share?

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#103

Post by knolax »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #101
knolax wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment was made in reply to GP's and was a description and criticism of what he said. You seemed to have either genuinely or deliberately missed that point. When I clarified this you did not address the content of any of my arguments and instead went on a rant about how "pro CCP" people argue, which is off track because neither the article or I are "pro CCP".

You have ignored my point that I was precise and did not confuse the issue. Also not answered was why I was supposedly "off track" when I was not. Which is exactly how so many CCP supporters argue.

My comment was made in direct reference to a previous comment. Claiming that I "made it up" when you can very clearly click parent and see that indeed a parent comment fitting the description given by mine exists is not precise and confuses the point. Your screed and this entire comment thread isn't even remotely related to the article anymore, which means that it is off track.

I can keep rebuking you and you'll just keep ignoring it and claim that I didn't. It seems that you've reached the "denial" phase that you've described.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#104

Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

knolax wrote: post #103
throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have ignored my point that I was precise and did not confuse the issue. Also not answered was why I was supposedly "off track" when I was not. Which is exactly how so many CCP supporters argue.

My comment was made in direct reference to a previous comment. Claiming that I "made it up" when you can very clearly click parent and see that indeed a parent comment fitting the description given by mine exists is not precise and confuses the point. Your screed and this entire comment thread isn't even remotely related to the article anymore, which means that it is off track. I can keep rebuking you and you'll just…

Nah, you made it up.

And you still haven't answered my questions. Because it's inconvenient.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#105

Post by paul_milovanov »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #12
usr1106 wrote: post #8

Interesting read. But always remember, China is a country that does not let their people know the truth what happens in the world (the great firewall). So I'm not all convinced that they let the world know the truth what happens in China. The article could be an honest personal report or it could be government-backed propaganda. How do we know?

Sixth Tone was setup by the Chinese government to be more relatable to western audiences by sounding more critical, so you shouldn't take it at face value. On the other hand, it does provide useful information, and it could be seen as an attempt to provide higher quality news out of China. After the Xi era, I think Chinese propaganda will actually move in a more critical/informative direction like Sixth Tone, since t…

I mean, NY Times shouldn't be taken at face value. Al Jazeera shouldn't be taken at face value. CBC shouldn't be taken at face value. Everybody has bias/interests and I fail to see how the stuff coming from Sixth Tone is any more objectionable.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#106

Post by throw-45432 »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #104
knolax wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment was made in direct reference to a previous comment. Claiming that I "made it up" when you can very clearly click parent and see that indeed a parent comment fitting the description given by mine exists is not precise and confuses the point. Your screed and this entire comment thread isn't even remotely related to the article anymore, which means that it is off track. I can keep rebuking you and you'll just…

Nah, you made it up. And you still haven't answered my questions. Because it's inconvenient.

> And you still haven't answered my questions. Because it's inconvenient.

No, you just made that up.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#107

Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

throw-45432 wrote: post #106
throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, you made it up. And you still haven't answered my questions. Because it's inconvenient.

> And you still haven't answered my questions. Because it's inconvenient. No, you just made that up.

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Another way CCP apologists deal with difficult things (forgot: flagging is another). You really must think the HN crowd is plain stupid.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#108

Post by seanmcdirmid »

paul_milovanov wrote: post #105
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sixth Tone was setup by the Chinese government to be more relatable to western audiences by sounding more critical, so you shouldn't take it at face value. On the other hand, it does provide useful information, and it could be seen as an attempt to provide higher quality news out of China. After the Xi era, I think Chinese propaganda will actually move in a more critical/informative direction like Sixth Tone, since t…

I mean, NY Times shouldn't be taken at face value. Al Jazeera shouldn't be taken at face value. CBC shouldn't be taken at face value. Everybody has bias/interests and I fail to see how the stuff coming from Sixth Tone is any more objectionable.

Sixth Tone is owned and operated by the government, for the purposes and goals of the government. Does Trump control the NYT? I think he wishes he did, but no.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#109

Post by fragmede »

rjsw wrote: post #68
redis_mlc wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more subtle than that. Here's some background before I answer your question. One doctor has said that corona patients should be treated like altitude sickness patients, not like viral patients (and this Wuhan article implies that.) All doctors say that ventilator intubation is the equivalent of major surgery, requiring anesthetics for the duration of ventilation and a long recovery period. High air pressure dama…

One thing that might help for the general population could be iron supplements. Not to prevent infection but to help the body to respond to low oxygen levels if you become infected.

Maybe. There's a pre-print, not-(yet?)-peer-reviewed paper[0] that theorizes that SARS-Cov-2 directly inhibits the ability of red blood cells to carry oxygen by binding in the place of iron (approximately)[1].

If this is true, then iron supplements could be dangerous, as too much iron is toxic, possibly fatal.

[0] The paper's abstract explicitly calls out the status of the research: "This paper is only for academic discussion, the correctness needs to be confirmed by other laboratories. Due to the side effects and allergic reactions of drugs such as chloroquine, please consult a qualified doctor for treatment details, and do not take the medicine yourself."

[1] https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surf...

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#110

Post by rjsw »

fragmede wrote: post #109
rjsw wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that might help for the general population could be iron supplements. Not to prevent infection but to help the body to respond to low oxygen levels if you become infected.

Maybe. There's a pre-print, not-(yet?)-peer-reviewed paper[0] that theorizes that SARS-Cov-2 directly inhibits the ability of red blood cells to carry oxygen by binding in the place of iron (approximately)[1]. If this is true, then iron supplements could be dangerous, as too much iron is toxic, possibly fatal. [0] The paper's abstract explicitly calls out the status of the research: "This paper is only for academic d…

I was thinking more that our response to low oxygen levels at altitude is to make more red blood cells and you need iron to do that.

Plus if you are having problems shopping for food then green vegetables may not be your top priority.

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