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Re: Fastmail Labels Beta

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Curious to hear how people use these!

I kind of use them like folders, but one main difference is that I can keep important emails in my "Inbox", while they can still show the label. With folders, they basically become archived right away, so there were emails that I was hesitant to assign a folder to, because it'd mean that they'd disappear from my view. Basically the "Inbox" is my TODO list in a sense. And with labels I can keep better track of what is…

That makes sense. Thanks for sharing!

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One reason I switched to Fastmail is it's just folders, not labels. I HATED labels in Gmail. It never works right with external clients, even if you use plugins in Thunderbird or try to use labels like they are folders. I gave up and basically used the web interface until I switched to FastMail. Will folders ever become mandatory? If so, maybe I should finally give in and host emails myself. It can't be more painful…

I can't find the blog post, but I read one once that said, basically: you don't need labels or folders. You need your inbox, the archive, and trash. Once you've tended to an email, either archive it (and just use your search function later), or delete it. I've tried unsuccessfully to maintain folder/label systems over the years, and I always end up having to search my emails anyway. So why bother with trying to make…

Folder structure (whether email or filesystem) give context. In the same folder may be related emails from other people or with different subjects. Search works for finding a specific email, and folders help finding related emails once you have the first one.

In addition, folders have better discoverability, whereas I find search to be finicky (looking for exact words when I only remember a synonym)

I have a similar problem with google drive. Oftentimes I will find a file that I was looking for, but I know there are related files in the same folder (maybe a spreadsheet used to generate the other document). But I can't get to the folder from the file (as far as I know). If I don't remember some keywords from the other file, I may be SOL.

Re: Fastmail Labels Beta

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If you have a spouse and/or kids, and you want them to use FastMail for the same reason you do, consider putting pressure on FastMail to offer a (reasonable) family plan. I’ve been a happy customer for a decade but they’ve raised their prices (which would affect new accounts) and do not offer a family plan so this year be my last year with them. Edit: typo

I've been with fastmail for about a year now. My wife wants to leave Gmail and have been thinking about Fastmail as well, but the price per user puts us down... waiting for Hey and see what their price plan will be

Re: Fastmail Labels Beta

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Might as well put it here since Fastmail doesn’t come up often. Does anyone find Fastmail’s spam detection to be pretty mediocre? I usually get a few obviously spam emails a week in my inbox. The volume is low so I don’t mind it but that’s really the one thing I miss from Gmail.

I never get any spam on Fastmail, I set up a training folder and it has been solid for the past 5 years or so.

Re: Fastmail Labels Beta

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One reason I switched to Fastmail is it's just folders, not labels. I HATED labels in Gmail. It never works right with external clients, even if you use plugins in Thunderbird or try to use labels like they are folders. I gave up and basically used the web interface until I switched to FastMail. Will folders ever become mandatory? If so, maybe I should finally give in and host emails myself. It can't be more painful…

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Re: Fastmail Labels Beta

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One reason I switched to Fastmail is it's just folders, not labels. I HATED labels in Gmail. It never works right with external clients, even if you use plugins in Thunderbird or try to use labels like they are folders. I gave up and basically used the web interface until I switched to FastMail. Will folders ever become mandatory? If so, maybe I should finally give in and host emails myself. It can't be more painful…

I can't see why they would ever be mandatory, but Fastmail is a big player when it comes to email standards, so if they're bringing in label support I expect that it's becoming a part of standard emailing and proper support will appear in external clients soon.

Re: Fastmail Labels Beta

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If you have a spouse and/or kids, and you want them to use FastMail for the same reason you do, consider putting pressure on FastMail to offer a (reasonable) family plan. I’ve been a happy customer for a decade but they’ve raised their prices (which would affect new accounts) and do not offer a family plan so this year be my last year with them. Edit: typo

They used to have a family account, but they removed it. I'm not sure why.

Re: Fastmail Labels Beta

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spam detection requires a few ingredients: 1. Lots of email that you can categorize. 2. Lots of users to label the email as spam or not spam. 3. Tons of code to identify classifiable features such as clickable links, the ASN from which the message originated, and so many other things. 4. Some kind of classifier that pulls all the above into a decision about each message. And make sure it’s really fast and doesn’t req…

FastMail just uses SpamAssassin btw; I'm not sure if they have any modifications, but based on the results it seems just the standard SA.

This is astonishing to me, considering that Jeremy Howard is a leading AI guru.

Re: Fastmail Labels Beta

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Label support comes via JMAP. As for how this is exposed in imap.fastmail.com I'm not aware somebody checked yet. Here https://www.emaildiscussions.com/showthread.php?t=76159 is a feature discussion around this feature. It's bound to appear there at some point.

(I work for Fastmail, but am not really involved with the teams that have done most of the work on labels.) In the backend, there is no difference between labels mode and folders mode; all of the changes are in the UI. There are no IMAP attributes or keywords (they're poorly supported by third-party clients); any email message can appear in more than one mailbox, where "mailbox" means "folder" or "label". On disk, ma…

Would be good to do what Gmail does over IMAP because many email clients already know how to handle it.

A feature that only works in the web UI isn't useful for me and while I'm excited about JMAP, it doesn't have support in any of the email clients I can use.

Re: Fastmail Labels Beta

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FastMail just uses SpamAssassin btw; I'm not sure if they have any modifications, but based on the results it seems just the standard SA.

This is astonishing to me, considering that Jeremy Howard is a leading AI guru.

All I know is what I can see from the X-Spam headers they add with that matched rules, which are SA's. FastMail has been around for ages, and I guess it's "good enough" (or at least, not "bad enough" to replace). It's not so easy to replace a tested (though imperfect) solution like SA with some new AI stuff, even of it would be better; it's all about ROI.

Also, not sure if Howard is still involved to FastMail? They sold to Opera in 2010, although they've been independent again since 2013, but it looks like the 2010 sale was the end of Howard's involvement?

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