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Re: Open Source Ventilator Project

#101

Post by l_davis »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #99
cakeface wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, can I just take a moment to say that cystic fibrosis sounds absolutely awful and I have a newfound horror of the disease coupled with a whole lot of sympathy for you and others who are living with it. You are heard. I wish you only the best and I am sorry that you and others have experienced what you have. One of the things that I am trying to maintain in the face of covid-19 is perspective. Generally this has me…

Yes, it's classified as a Dread Disease because of what it does to your entire life, not just your health and body. Thank you for your kind words and good intentions. But please note that there are good things in my life as well. The past decade or two have been pretty darn hard, but it's not all downside. And because I have CF, I already do remote work and live like a germaphobe. So the pandemic is, so far, kind of…

I looked at the writepay link, and then the textbroker site. They said that they paid between $4 and $8 per assignment. Is that true? How long does an assignment take?

Re: Open Source Ventilator Project

#102

Post by DoreenMichele »

l_davis wrote: post #101
DoreenMichele wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's classified as a Dread Disease because of what it does to your entire life, not just your health and body. Thank you for your kind words and good intentions. But please note that there are good things in my life as well. The past decade or two have been pretty darn hard, but it's not all downside. And because I have CF, I already do remote work and live like a germaphobe. So the pandemic is, so far, kind of…

I looked at the writepay link, and then the textbroker site. They said that they paid between $4 and $8 per assignment. Is that true? How long does an assignment take?

The pay varies, depending upon the word count and other variables.

How long it takes also varies.

When I started working for them, I sometimes made like $1.25/hour because I was homeless and deathly ill and blah blah blah and it would take me all afternoon to complete something wroth $5.

Eventually, I was making more like $15-$20/hour.

Something I wrote previously on the topic:

https://writepay.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-value-of-not-chasi...

You do need to work at it and get good at it, but it can become a middle class income. I was clear it had a lot of potential upside when I began and it worked within the restrictions I had, so I kept working at it and slowly getting better.

I absolutely haven't yet hit any kind of ceiling. I could still work longer hours, increase my rating, etc. There is still a lot more money I could make. It's just up to me to make that happen by getting healthy enough, arranging my life that way, etc.

Re: Open Source Ventilator Project

#103

Post by fulafel »

joe_the_user wrote: post #86
chrisseaton wrote: post #3

> 15-20% of infected people require hospitalization for respiratory problems This is wrong - it's 15-20% of identified , diagnosed and subsequently monitored infected people, isn't it? I thought there was a mass of unidentified infected people, and even basically diagnosed but told to just deal with it at home with no further contact as they're low risk and minimal symptoms, and (obviously) 0% of these groups are goi…

You are wrong according to the WHO investigation of the events in China.[1] You are wrong according to the statistics that came out of Korea - if there was an invisible group of asymptomatic, Korea's infection rate couldn't have been controlled. [2] This destructive belief has persisted for a while because it made sense for various flu epidemic and gave the comforting idea most infections would be harmless. But is no…

The WHO conclusions have been widely challenged.

The cruise liner and the 3000 pop Italian village are the well studied exposed populations so far I think and they indicate a big asymptomatic percentage.

Re: Open Source Ventilator Project

#104

Post by ummonk »

fulafel wrote: post #103
joe_the_user wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are wrong according to the WHO investigation of the events in China.[1] You are wrong according to the statistics that came out of Korea - if there was an invisible group of asymptomatic, Korea's infection rate couldn't have been controlled. [2] This destructive belief has persisted for a while because it made sense for various flu epidemic and gave the comforting idea most infections would be harmless. But is no…

The WHO conclusions have been widely challenged. The cruise liner and the 3000 pop Italian village are the well studied exposed populations so far I think and they indicate a big asymptomatic percentage.

The cruise ship showed a ~50% symptomatic rate, so any stats based on symptomatic patients are probably only off by a factor of 2.

Note that both South Korea and China outside Wuhan do extensive contact tracing and testing of people an infected individual can be determined to have interacted with, so they pick up a good deal of asymptomatic cases too.

Re: Open Source Ventilator Project

#105

Post by joe_the_user »

fulafel wrote: post #103
joe_the_user wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are wrong according to the WHO investigation of the events in China.[1] You are wrong according to the statistics that came out of Korea - if there was an invisible group of asymptomatic, Korea's infection rate couldn't have been controlled. [2] This destructive belief has persisted for a while because it made sense for various flu epidemic and gave the comforting idea most infections would be harmless. But is no…

The WHO conclusions have been widely challenged. The cruise liner and the 3000 pop Italian village are the well studied exposed populations so far I think and they indicate a big asymptomatic percentage.

Can you show me a link to what percentage of those exposed in the ocean linear needed hospitalization? I haven't seen any direct discussion of this and that the situation in question. Sure many can be asymptomatic but that doesn't imply the symptomatic group doesn't tend to get very ill.

Edit: I should have said "a large enough group of asymptomatic to push the fatality and sickness rate way".

Yes, there can a majority asymptomatic but that doesn't mean that 20% of the overall don't wind-up needing serious medical attention also.

Hopefully, you can read the comment I replied to and see the context

Re: Open Source Ventilator Project

#106

Post by fulafel »

joe_the_user wrote: post #105
fulafel wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WHO conclusions have been widely challenged. The cruise liner and the 3000 pop Italian village are the well studied exposed populations so far I think and they indicate a big asymptomatic percentage.

Can you show me a link to what percentage of those exposed in the ocean linear needed hospitalization? I haven't seen any direct discussion of this and that the situation in question. Sure many can be asymptomatic but that doesn't imply the symptomatic group doesn't tend to get very ill. Edit: I should have said "a large enough group of asymptomatic to push the fatality and sickness rate way ". Yes, there can a major…

Sorry, on mobile, hopefully someone else can dig it up.

Re: Open Source Ventilator Project

#107

Post by joe_the_user »

easytiger wrote: post #100
joe_the_user wrote: post #96

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The one credible source among your links talks about surveying a population and seeing of those testing positive for Covid are asymptomatic or have cold symptoms. But this finding is not extrapolated to mean that the vast majority won't require hospitalization. There's a reason. When the virus is growing exponentially, most people have just gotten the virus and haven't gone the 2-3 weeks typical for becoming so sick…

> If 1/5 of those cases require hospitalization eventually They won't, they don't, and you have no basis for making that claim. I don't know what your agenda is here but it is entirely clear you have no desire to honestly engage regarding the facts. Certainly a complete misreading, at best, of data presented. It clearly deals with the symptoms during the while life cycle of the disease. What precisely is your goal wi…

They won't, they don't, and you have no basis for making that claim.

All the links in my original post are the basis of my claim - the WHO finding in China is very plausible and says exactly what I say - so saying I have "no basis" is clearly misrepresenting my above post.

I believe I'm characterizing your claim and their links as well as I can while vehemently disagreeing. As far as I can tell, you cite a survey finding many asymptomatic cases and think that proves things will stay that way but fail to consider the properties of a growing infected group. I'm entirely hostile to your position but I know only substantial arguments can help here.

My main goal is to make clear the urgency of this situation. There's a debate about whether the virus needs to be actively suppressed and I want to make it clear that this is indeed necessary. Basically, not seeing the American Health Care system collapse and hundreds of thousands of people die is my motivate. For that, we have to realize how many people will be coming in (though that's visible in Italy).

You talk of "engaging with the facts" but you don't present either facts or arguments in this post - plus alleging motives, etc.

Edit: Looking further at your link, you're describing the (important testing approach in the village of Vo). You can say "as 10%" were symptomatic but this is in the context of the virus being spread by them, again, not in the context of the people not getting sick later. There's really no reference to exactly what percentage of people go seriously sick.

Re: Open Source Ventilator Project

#108

Post by l_davis »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #102
l_davis wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I looked at the writepay link, and then the textbroker site. They said that they paid between $4 and $8 per assignment. Is that true? How long does an assignment take?

The pay varies, depending upon the word count and other variables. How long it takes also varies. When I started working for them, I sometimes made like $1.25/hour because I was homeless and deathly ill and blah blah blah and it would take me all afternoon to complete something wroth $5. Eventually, I was making more like $15-$20/hour. Something I wrote previously on the topic: https://writepay.blogspot.com/2016/03/t…

Then it sounds like it is a good solution for you and potentially could be a good solution for others who can write. I can see where people in IT (that's the typical audience here, right?) wouldn't care about work like that though. Most people in IT would rather do almost anything other than write, and I think most in the IT profession who can in the US can make more than $20 per hour on a 1099 basis, though that seems to vary greatly by type of writing and geographic location (I live in an expensive area so salaries/hourly rates are relatively high, though not the highest in the US).

Re: Open Source Ventilator Project

#109

Post by joe_the_user »

fulafel wrote: post #106
joe_the_user wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you show me a link to what percentage of those exposed in the ocean linear needed hospitalization? I haven't seen any direct discussion of this and that the situation in question. Sure many can be asymptomatic but that doesn't imply the symptomatic group doesn't tend to get very ill. Edit: I should have said "a large enough group of asymptomatic to push the fatality and sickness rate way ". Yes, there can a major…

Sorry, on mobile, hopefully someone else can dig it up.

I've read several articles and none talk about the hospitalization rate. Two people died, which akin to the fatality with medical care seen elsewhere. That would seem to imply a similar rate of getting sick since the disease pattern is that with reasonable care, only small-ish portion of those getting sick die.

I mean, understand. Lots of people asymptomatic, a few quite ill, 1% die, sounds not terrible but it's very, very bad for it's health care overwhelm effect.

Re: Open Source Ventilator Project

#110

Post by DoreenMichele »

l_davis wrote: post #108
DoreenMichele wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pay varies, depending upon the word count and other variables. How long it takes also varies. When I started working for them, I sometimes made like $1.25/hour because I was homeless and deathly ill and blah blah blah and it would take me all afternoon to complete something wroth $5. Eventually, I was making more like $15-$20/hour. Something I wrote previously on the topic: https://writepay.blogspot.com/2016/03/t…

Then it sounds like it is a good solution for you and potentially could be a good solution for others who can write. I can see where people in IT (that's the typical audience here, right?) wouldn't care about work like that though. Most people in IT would rather do almost anything other than write, and I think most in the IT profession who can in the US can make more than $20 per hour on a 1099 basis, though that see…

a. Most people in IT are not the people suddenly laid off.

b. Quote from my post today:

Some years ago, I wrote a blog post trying to encourage people on Hacker News to develop other services on the Textbroker model. It was basically ignored. Maybe this time it won't be.

And maybe I should expand on that in specific. At some point.

I didn't post it here to suggest laid off programmers should become low paid writers. The people most people are worried about are things like restaurant workers making minimum wage.

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