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Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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That's....Not beneficial, at least in terms of what is going on behind the scenes. 1: App knows your location - most likely is profiting from that 2: App can see how often you visit $place, all for the cost of a few 'sale' items. 3: More extensive profiling can possibly occur, depending on what data the OS allows you to access. As apposed to: 1: Walk to shop, no smartphone, see discounts inside shop. There's 0 reason…

Of course it's beneficial! Can you not put yourself in the shoes of a normal consumer and recognise that? They probably don't care if the app is tracking their location to tell how often they visit the shop. In exchange for this inconsequential sacrifice to their privacy they get easy and convenient discounts, tailored to them, when they go about their daily routine. I'm privacy-conscious and technologically literate…

You see geo location data that can (and is) re-sold throughout the industry and aggregated by political parties as inconsequential? (Intentionally extreme example, but this is not hyperbole)

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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I'd still uninstall the app.

Would you uninstall Uber if they sent you a coupon via push notification?

Don't have it installed in the first place. Why feed Uber any business at all? It's a trash company.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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I have some hope that the EU will outlaw promotional push notifications that are not opt-in, similar to email spam. As it stands, push notifications are almost entirely useless because of all the noise.

What apps do you use? I'm an iPhone user, I have a lot of apps on it, I receive a lot of notifications and I get no promotional notifications. I hope the " almost entirely useless " line was hyperbole :)

Lyft is the abuser on my phone. I'm close to removing all notifications for it, but they are kind of an important part of using the product...

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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I have some hope that the EU will outlaw promotional push notifications that are not opt-in, similar to email spam. As it stands, push notifications are almost entirely useless because of all the noise.

On iOS at least, you can control which apps can send you notifications.

I see no unwanted ones as a result, because I only let well-behaved apps use notifications.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Depending on how this is implemented, this could actually be a step in the right direction. Lots of apps already send "promotional" push notifications (including big names like Lyft and Uber). The only way to turn them off was to turn off all notifications, which meant missing actual important updates. If this change means being able to opt-out of one without losing the other, I'm all for it.

I kind of like the all or nothing approach as far as "annoy me and I'll uninstall your app" goes. Now the potential loss for the app maker for being annoying is far lower.

This assumes that there are competitors who don’t spam you. For taxi apps, you have no choice since all entrants do this.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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What apps do you use? I'm an iPhone user, I have a lot of apps on it, I receive a lot of notifications and I get no promotional notifications. I hope the " almost entirely useless " line was hyperbole :)

Lyft is the abuser on my phone. I'm close to removing all notifications for it, but they are kind of an important part of using the product...

Ah, I don't use Lyft. In my city in addition to Uber we've got Bolt (Estonian, ex Taxify), Yandex Taxi (russian) and Clever Taxi (something local).

If you have the possibility ditch them, because promotional crap in the context of a payed service, with no way to easily turn it off, is an abuse IMO.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Judging by the number defenders of advertising every time one of these sorts of threads shows up on HackerNews, it's astonishing to me how many people's livings are dependent on this garbage.

I’m amazed as well! Notifications are like permission for strangers to interrupt my life at their leisure. I don’t want their coupons, their announcements, their... whatever else. I’ve got important things in my life that I want to give my attention to and the last thing I need is a direct line into my pocket, desk, and home to try and get my attention. To me this sounds like a dystopian society where ad agencies rul…

I agree. I ended up turning all notifications off except for the ones that I do want to be interrupted for (like texts from my SO or Uber) and my time spent on the phone decreased significantly.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Depending on how this is implemented, this could actually be a step in the right direction. Lots of apps already send "promotional" push notifications (including big names like Lyft and Uber). The only way to turn them off was to turn off all notifications, which meant missing actual important updates. If this change means being able to opt-out of one without losing the other, I'm all for it.

You can keep the "ride is here" notifications in Lyft but turn the ads off by going to:

Menu > Settings > Privacy > Notifications Preferences > Discounts and News : Off

For Uber, it's similar: Menu > Settings > Privacy > Notifications > Discounts and News > Off

A built-in/centralized way in iOS to accomplish this (that's more discoverable) would be much better.

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