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Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by eanzenberg »

CriticalCathed wrote: post #62
bmarquez wrote: post #28

This is incredibly disturbing, in light of the fact Reddit's CEO was once caught secretly editing[1] the comments of The Donald's users. Can't assume this is being done in good faith as the comments leading The Donald to be quarantined could be edits, or shill accounts. I'm sure someone will say "their website, their rules" but in that case it's better to just ban it entirely instead of engaging in subversive practic…

Disturbing? I don't think so. I subscribe to the_donald because I want to keep up with what the nutters are saying. Yesterday I reported a post where they had photshopped out the dots in the " i "s in all of Mike Bloomberg's ads and replaced them with the star of david. That's just yesterday. And just one post that caught my eye. And it was one of the top posts of the day with thousands and thousands of votes and hun…

You may try linking to the content next time.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by CriticalCathed »

eanzenberg wrote: post #101
CriticalCathed wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disturbing? I don't think so. I subscribe to the_donald because I want to keep up with what the nutters are saying. Yesterday I reported a post where they had photshopped out the dots in the " i "s in all of Mike Bloomberg's ads and replaced them with the star of david. That's just yesterday. And just one post that caught my eye. And it was one of the top posts of the day with thousands and thousands of votes and hun…

You may try linking to the content next time.

Why, are you accusing me of lying?

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by eanzenberg »

floatingatoll wrote: post #87
bmarquez wrote: post #28

This is incredibly disturbing, in light of the fact Reddit's CEO was once caught secretly editing[1] the comments of The Donald's users. Can't assume this is being done in good faith as the comments leading The Donald to be quarantined could be edits, or shill accounts. I'm sure someone will say "their website, their rules" but in that case it's better to just ban it entirely instead of engaging in subversive practic…

Conspiracy theories are not considered valuable commentary here on HN, so ironically you may find your post flagged and remove by the community due to violating of this forum’s user and mod expectations.

What's the conspiracy theory? Dude admitted it himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_...

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by macinjosh »

Advertising and free discussion do not mix, at all. It is not surprising this sort of thing is being done by a company whose true customers are their advertisers, not users. Internet companies who mess with user content to appease advertisers are going to learn soon enough that they can't serve both masters at least for anything anyone is very passionate about, like politics.

When I was a kid®, this sort content lived in web forums or newsgroups hosted by interested parties. You were unlikely to find any of it unless you went looking for it. It is probably best if it goes back to that.

Internet pro-tip: If you don't want to be beholden to reddit, YouTube, Twitter, etc. don't use them, it is really that simple.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by blackflame7000 »

bovermyer wrote: post #45
baalimago wrote: post #20

The 'frontpage of the internet' is actively taking control of the subreddit of a presidential candidate, in an election year. I know that HN is highly against Trump, and probably cheer for this decision, but how is this not a democratic issue?

I am continually amazed at how many people believe that "free speech" applies to anything other than the government. No government agency is allowed to impede free speech (with a handful of exceptions). This rule does not apply to any other organization.

What about a company partially owned by the Chinese using censorship as a means to interfere in the US election?

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by rtkwe »

maverick2007 wrote: post #7

I personally think that this article buried the lede as far as controversial Reddit actions go. Users now can be (and have been) banned for upvoting posts in quarantined subreddits (both on the right - T_D - and the left - Chapo Trap House - among others). I've seen controversy erupt all around Reddit about this and it doesn't feel right to me. If the content that people are upvoting is bad enough to get banned over…

The actual policy as stated is if a user consistently upvotes policy violating content that is later removed in a quarantined sub they will be warned and banned if they continue. They are removing violating content it's just adding the fact that you shouldn't be upvoting this content because upvotes = higher visibility and support, it's supposed to mean 'this is good content.'

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by T-hawk »

ehsankia wrote: post #25
maverick2007 wrote: post #7

I personally think that this article buried the lede as far as controversial Reddit actions go. Users now can be (and have been) banned for upvoting posts in quarantined subreddits (both on the right - T_D - and the left - Chapo Trap House - among others). I've seen controversy erupt all around Reddit about this and it doesn't feel right to me. If the content that people are upvoting is bad enough to get banned over…

Correct me if I'm wrong and I read it wrong, but I think you're mixing up things here. > Users that have more than 500 karma in quarantined subreddits outside of The Donald will not be allowed on the list of approved applicants [to be a moderator] This is only for being a moderator. Simply upvoting posts (that don't break any rules) in quarantined subreddits does not get you punished. > If the content that people are…

> Simply upvoting posts (that don't break any rules) in quarantined subreddits does not get you punished.

The problem is that parenthetical, and determining it. Users were told that upvoting rule-breaking posts would risk a sitewide ban, without being told what content it was or what rules it broke.

Reddit says it gets to punish users by declaring any content "bad", by arbitrary or overly broad or even unspecified rules. That's the uproar.

This is not trying to improve behavior, this is trying to deplatform wrongthink.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by kickopotomus »

windyaskew wrote: post #50
ehsankia wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct me if I'm wrong and I read it wrong, but I think you're mixing up things here. > Users that have more than 500 karma in quarantined subreddits outside of The Donald will not be allowed on the list of approved applicants [to be a moderator] This is only for being a moderator. Simply upvoting posts (that don't break any rules) in quarantined subreddits does not get you punished. > If the content that people are…

This article [1] says they announced it today. I'm excited to see the fallout on this decision. [1] https://reclaimthenet.org/reddit-banned-for-upvote-policy/

What would the fallout be? The collapse of quarantined communities? The policy only applies to individuals that consistently upvote policy-breaking[1] content within quarantined communities which is pretty clearly qualified. Those individuals will also receive a warning(s?) prior to being banned. Seems like a pretty fair policy all around seeing that upvoting is a conscious choice.

[1]: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by bmarquez »

floatingatoll wrote: post #87
bmarquez wrote: post #28

This is incredibly disturbing, in light of the fact Reddit's CEO was once caught secretly editing[1] the comments of The Donald's users. Can't assume this is being done in good faith as the comments leading The Donald to be quarantined could be edits, or shill accounts. I'm sure someone will say "their website, their rules" but in that case it's better to just ban it entirely instead of engaging in subversive practic…

Conspiracy theories are not considered valuable commentary here on HN, so ironically you may find your post flagged and remove by the community due to violating of this forum’s user and mod expectations.

My post was not intended to be a conspiracy theory. The point I'm trying to make is that rewriting comments (or reassigning moderation teams) is worse than straight out deleting or banning...because the potential that people can be misled is there.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by floatingatoll »

cwperkins wrote: post #15

News sites like NYT and WSJ have introduced a featured comments section that is curated by the editorial team. In order to expose reddit users to different biases could the politics sub appoint a moderation team “fairly” and pick a few featured comments to expose reddit users to different leanings?

That would be an interesting approach for another forum dedicated to that experiment. You could start a sub of your own with mods assigned to that purpose if you wished to. I would advise against forcibly converting an existing forum without experimental results, though.
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