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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by ineedasername »

callmeal wrote: post #49
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.

I wonder what would happen if you used Chrome, but changed your user-agent to Firefox? Would the issues reappear?

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by ineedasername »

andrewmutz wrote: post #98
callmeal wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.

"Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice" -Hacker News

How about: "Sufficient levels of stupidity are indistinguishable from malice"

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by drewg123 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #23
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…

> [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox

As a firefox user, the thing that annoys the hell out of me is the inability to use the mouse menu for cut and paste in Google Docs unless you're using chrome. I don't understand why it forces you to use the keyboard shortcut. I'm an emacs user, and find the windows-y keyboard shortcuts foreign, so I have to think about them, and prefer just using the right-click mouse menu.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by [deleted] »

taf2 wrote: post #35
Santosh83 wrote: post #14

If Google were truly behind open web standards then they would have nothing to fear and no need to promote one standards conforming browser (Chrome) over another (Edge, Firefox or whatever). This just shows that the ultimate desire of all these corporate backed browsers is some degree of vendor lock in, which is why they feel the need to advertise their browser when their competitor's is almost 99.9% identical in fun…

This is just not true... What Google is concerned about is decades of bad behavior by Microsoft. Prior to the last decade Microsoft used embrace, extend and extinguish very aggressively to take control over nearly 96% of the desktop market and web platform via IE6. It's only fair the same developers who worked on Netscape, IE, Mozilla and now Chrome should be a little concerned with the history and motivations of a c…

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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by sebazzz »

jmisavage wrote: post #3

They're probably just user agent sniffing for non-Chrome browsers. I see this plenty when using Firefox or Safari. That said I wonder if all the State and DoJ investigations about anti-competitive behavior will force Google to stop promoting their own browser on their properties.

The user agent is equal to Chrome with "Edg" (not a typo) appended:

> mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 10.0; win64; x64) applewebkit/537.36 (khtml, like gecko) chrome/76.0.3800.0 safari/537.36 edg/76.0.167.1

Certainly not an accident, unless they tried to save one byte by not checking on the full "Edge" token.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

#106

Post by diffeomorphism »

andrewmutz wrote: post #98
callmeal wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.

"Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice" -Hacker News

"Google is a small indie company. Don't be so hard on them." -- Some guy on HN

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by Yizahi »

Microsoft may experience firsthand what can happen when you build your business on competitors platform. I'm exaggerating of course but essentially it may happen. The good news is that MS is probably the only company which can actually maintain its own browser in a case if Google goes completely hostile on them. Then this mythical thing called Chromium may materialize as an independent entity from Google, making different decisions and implementing different core features (which is not true today).

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

#108

Post by simias »

thrower123 wrote: post #63
einr wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another thing: every single time I use Google to search for a Firefox extension such as uBlock Origin or anything else that is available on both browsers, the equivalent Chrome extension is consistently the first result. It knows my user agent. It knows very well that the Firefox extension is the relevant result. This is 100% done out of malice.

I really, really, suspect that the Google search isn't even close to that smart, that active malice comes in. Pure statistics would put the Chrome version of something higher than the Firefox version due to sheer weight of user-base. Nor are user-agents in any way reliable.

I agree with you. Given the current browser market share it would make sense for Chrome extensions to be more popular than Firefox's without any special-case meddling.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by sp332 »

drewg123 wrote: post #103
thaumasiotes wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…

> [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox As a firefox user, the thing that annoys the hell out of me is the inability to use the mouse menu for cut and paste in Google Docs unless you're using chrome. I don't understand why it forces you to use the keyboard shortcut. I'm an emacs user, and find the windows-y keyboard shortcuts foreign, so I have to think about them, and p…

I just tried this in Firefox and it worked fine?

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

#110

Post by euix »

callmeal wrote: post #49
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.

late last year gmail started complaining I had used up all its storage space of 15 GB and asked me to start paying for more storage. That was the last straw, if I am going to pay for email I might as well spend my money and not give away my data for ads and privacy. I signed up for fastmail. Now outside from Android and maps and keep, I am pretty much off google.
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