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Post by senordevnyc »

xenihn wrote: post #93
senordevnyc wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people in the US talk about disadvantaged minorities, they generally mean minorities in the US. And a bunch of white American male software engineers disclosing their salaries can definitely help black and female software engineers.

I see just as many asian female engineers as white male software engineers in the bay. And more asian female engineers than male black+hispanic+pacific islander+native american engineers combined. You should be much more concerned with class than gender, otherwise you won't actually solve any issues related to diversity. You'll only make it worse.

I see just as many asian female engineers as white male software engineers in the bay.

There’s almost no chance this is true. “White” and “male” are both overrepresented in software engineering. Would love to see the data though.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by scarface74 »

Bogdanp wrote: post #3

I know these people willingly shared this information in public, but, for whatever reason, this compilation makes me uncomfortable. EDIT to clarify: what makes me uncomfortable about this is not the broad range of salaries. I don't find that surprising at all. It's gathering all this information together and associating it with people's names (and complete bios!) that bothers me. Some of them may find they want to de…

I don’t talk about my salary with current coworkers, but I talk about salary openly to former coworkers in my same area and friends who I know make about the same or more than I do.

Nothing can come good out of sharing my salary with current coworkers.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by xenihn »

senordevnyc wrote: post #101
xenihn wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see just as many asian female engineers as white male software engineers in the bay. And more asian female engineers than male black+hispanic+pacific islander+native american engineers combined. You should be much more concerned with class than gender, otherwise you won't actually solve any issues related to diversity. You'll only make it worse.

I see just as many asian female engineers as white male software engineers in the bay. There’s almost no chance this is true. “White” and “male” are both overrepresented in software engineering. Would love to see the data though.

Most male engineers I see are east asian (predominantly Chinese) or Indian.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by random314 »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #92
theredlion wrote: post #43

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That's an interesting question. I'm personally aware of several large companies in my area which, due to diversity pressure, blatantly discriminate in favor of minorities and women. The performance required from a white man in an interview for the same job is higher. That is to say that a white man will be openly discarded in favor of a minority/woman with a similar background when applying for the same job. This is…

I’m at a 1000 person org and this is also how we hire. We have KPIs for “diversity” and the entire company gets a huge bonus when we meet all our targets, so there is a incentive all the way from the CEO to panel ICs.

There are certainly a bunch of freshly created accounts on HN, all corroborating each other. Very funny - can you name this 1000 person org/company.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by scarface74 »

cdoxsey wrote: post #75
grumple wrote: post #17

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It includes people from all over the world. US skilled salaries are usually 2x+ (not just for tech, but also things like healthcare) salaries in Europe. Remember they have social safety nets and lower costs for things like education and healthcare, we do not. Also this list has a very small sample size, and very few people from big tech, otherwise the pay would skew significantly higher.

The US has social safety nets. Nearly half the federal budget is spent on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And there are numerous other programs: unemployment, housing assistance, snap, etc. There are also state and local programs as well as private charities.

Unemployment insurance is state based and usually somewhere between $300 - $500 a week. The waiting list for housing assistance is years long in some places.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by ghaff »

senordevnyc wrote: post #55
pansa2 wrote: post #47

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> higher than anywhere else in the country. Anywhere else in the world . For example, in London you’d probably pay at least 50% of your current rent, but only receive 25% of your current salary.

I tend to think that’s true, but I can’t say for sure. I do think someone working remotely while living in an ultra-low CoL place like Vietnam might come out ahead, but that has serious downsides as well, particularly if you ever want to move back to a developed country. You’ll have lived well in Vietnam but you won’t have built much wealth compared to your SF/NYC/Seattle peers.

That's somewhat a function of how much you get paid. However, leaving aside debates about remote work generally, in my experience once you get beyond five or six hour time differences, synchronous communications start to get really hard--especially if you're not willing to significantly deviate from a "normal" schedule.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by senordevnyc »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #92
theredlion wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting question. I'm personally aware of several large companies in my area which, due to diversity pressure, blatantly discriminate in favor of minorities and women. The performance required from a white man in an interview for the same job is higher. That is to say that a white man will be openly discarded in favor of a minority/woman with a similar background when applying for the same job. This is…

I’m at a 1000 person org and this is also how we hire. We have KPIs for “diversity” and the entire company gets a huge bonus when we meet all our targets, so there is a incentive all the way from the CEO to panel ICs.

“This is the way we hire”, but what you’re describing doesn’t at all match what the comment you’re replying to describes. It sounds like you both are interpreting two different sets of facts to tell yourself the same story of “blatant discrimination”. I don’t see it, personally.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by metalforever »

j7ake wrote: post #38
senordevnyc wrote: post #32

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When people in the US talk about disadvantaged minorities, they generally mean minorities in the US. And a bunch of white American male software engineers disclosing their salaries can definitely help black and female software engineers.

Are black and female software engineers in USA right now the demographic that really needs helping? Im not American, so I probably need clarification, but what is their current situation compared to white males in the same position at a company?

Females definitely make less across the board. I want to say around 80 percent of the time , and it’s usually because of HR, not the engineering team.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by [deleted] »

theredlion wrote: post #72
senordevnyc wrote: post #63

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Oh, we’re trading anecdotes? Well, I know a lot of people, including many involved in hiring at various large tech companies, including myself. I’m sure they have programs to encourage diversity in hiring, but I seriously doubt they’re telling you they “blatantly discriminate” against white men and that white men have to perform much better in an interview in order to be hired. That’s an incomplete and simplistic sto…

Nobody's begging you to believe me. I'm just typing what I know from those involved

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Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by ghaff »

randallsquared wrote: post #82
dennisgorelik wrote: post #46

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> cost-of-living-adjusted salaries for big tech in SF, Seattle, and NYC are higher than anywhere else in the country ... if you do not have children. Consider how much you would have to pay for a modest 2000 square feet house in SF or NYC.

For NYC, there are a smattering of houses under (to pick an arbitrary cutoff) 900K at 2000 square feet: https://streeteasy.com/houses/nyc/status:open%7Cprice:-60000... Many have mortgage payment estimates under what senordevnyc mentioned paying for rent, now.

I don't think any of those houses are in locations that most people here mean when they say NYC (by which many mean Manhattan south of about 110th Street or a fashionable part of Brooklyn).
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