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Realistically, smartphones are tracking everyone all the time and provide rich datasets. Camera, microphone, and GPS. If you turn off location services your phone still connects to cell towers, WiFi access points, and Bluetooth beacons, as you drive or walk around throughout your day.
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Unfortunately ANPR is becoming ubiquitous - especially around A1A. I’d support banning this as well.
I might be content with a large warning sign "LICENSE PLATE READER AHEAD" for each location.
There are roads near me which do "toll by mail" where they snap a picture of your license plate, and then bill you the toll even if you don't have EZ-Pass. There are signs which announce this, but unless you're planning to drive 90 minutes out of your way, those sections of highway aren't avoidable.
Even if there are other viable options, the average citizen doesn't really understand the implication of losing their privacy, so they can't make an educated decision about whether to give it up. A simple sign doesn't solve that fundamental problem.
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I'm pretty sure that umvi was sarcastic. Think about his last sentence.
I hate to cross-reference as that's technically breaking the rules, but their post history doesn't exactly suggest that they're being sarcastic, and their (three-person, all related) company's privacy policy seems to be "We're taking your data, and hell yes we're going to sell it."
The privacy policy I have on my website is used for exactly one app in the Google/iOS App store and is based on a template one I found on GitHub. FWIW, that one app collects exactly zero data on users other than whatever Unity collects for serving opt-in ads.
Facial recognition tech could save so much time and money though. Imagine how many man hours would be saved if teachers no longer had to take attendance? Shoplifting would hit all time lows since you wouldn't be able to get away with it short of wearing a mask into the store.
Students ? You're proposing we track students ? It says something that the first example that's used (not just you, I've seen it many times elsewhere, too) is that we track the only group of people who by-and-large cannot consent, and not only that, but in a way that has permanent implications for their right to privacy. Further, the idea of facial recognition being used in every store is atrocious. Not only can they…
As if we already don't track students? You just think it's somehow better if a fleshy neural net violates their consent and privacy by manually checking up on them when they are are truant because why...?
And who says everything must always be taken to the extreme? Just because facial recognition technology exists don't mean it will always abused. I'm a volunteer secretary at a local community center and I'm sick of manually performing facial recognition and updating a google doc to track attendance. It wastes an hour of my time every week. Is it so bad I want a raspberry pi attached to a camera that can auto-update the google doc for me?
Facial recognition tech could save so much time and money though. Imagine how many man hours would be saved if teachers no longer had to take attendance? Shoplifting would hit all time lows since you wouldn't be able to get away with it short of wearing a mask into the store.
Ya but at the price of general freedom.
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Students ? You're proposing we track students ? It says something that the first example that's used (not just you, I've seen it many times elsewhere, too) is that we track the only group of people who by-and-large cannot consent, and not only that, but in a way that has permanent implications for their right to privacy. Further, the idea of facial recognition being used in every store is atrocious. Not only can they…
The annoying thing about the emphasis is that there is an obvious use for it that won't suffer from an overload problem - personal usage for those of us who have terrible face memory/recognition and ability to manually enter/assign a string to a face. That would combine with AR. But that AR has already flopped due to several issues even without the added camera needed. Plus the issues of existing eyeglass combining.…
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Students ? You're proposing we track students ? It says something that the first example that's used (not just you, I've seen it many times elsewhere, too) is that we track the only group of people who by-and-large cannot consent, and not only that, but in a way that has permanent implications for their right to privacy. Further, the idea of facial recognition being used in every store is atrocious. Not only can they…
> Students? You're proposing we track students? It says something that the first example that's used (not just you, I've seen it many times elsewhere, too) is that we track the only group of people who by-and-large cannot consent, and not only that, but in a way that has permanent implications for their right to privacy. As if we already don't track students? You just think it's somehow better if a fleshy neural net…
There's a difference between "We're writing your name down in a spreadsheet" and the inevitable "Your facial structure is being processed by a private company that is absolutely going to share with anyone who asks" that happens with the types of companies that contract with schools.
Even assuming that they were decent companies, the Fed has shown a tendency to force companies to give up fingerprints, DNA, and so on: there's no chance that they wouldn't do the same for facial recognition data.
And who says everything must always be taken to the extreme?
Your only proposals were extremely extreme, and neither of them were particularly rare desires for this tech.
Just because facial recognition technology exists don't mean it will always abused.
Sure, like I said, there are some useless uses of it, too, like facial unlocking. What you're proposing is an abuse, however.
Is it so bad I want a [Raspberry Pi] attached to a camera that can auto-update the [Google Doc] for me?
While your proposed use, facial recognition for presumably-consenting adults, is more mundane than the initial two proposals, I spent an hour looking for an example of facial recognition that was accurate and detailed enough to tell the difference between individuals that ran on a Raspberry Pi, and came up blank. It seems as if the hardware is too underpowered to do so (or, at least, the current tooling is too bloated to), which means that you'd end up processing it in the cloud or similar, which would still mean their data was leaving your control; that is pretty bad, I'd say.
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> Students? You're proposing we track students? It says something that the first example that's used (not just you, I've seen it many times elsewhere, too) is that we track the only group of people who by-and-large cannot consent, and not only that, but in a way that has permanent implications for their right to privacy. As if we already don't track students? You just think it's somehow better if a fleshy neural net…
As if we already don't track students? There's a difference between "We're writing your name down in a spreadsheet" and the inevitable "Your facial structure is being processed by a private company that is absolutely going to share with anyone who asks" that happens with the types of companies that contract with schools. Even assuming that they were decent companies, the Fed has shown a tendency to force companies to…
I don't see why that is inevitable. My high school in 2007 had its own IT team and kept all of its data on-premises (this was before "the cloud", but still, you could just mandate that all facial recognition models have to be stored/processed on-premises).
> Even assuming that they were decent companies, the Fed has shown a tendency to force companies to give up fingerprints, DNA, and so on: there's no chance that they wouldn't do the same for facial recognition data.
Yeah, it's called warrants. I don't see what is wrong with that. If the FBI wants to know if a student was in school on a certain day, I don't see how a warrant for checking facial recognition logs is any different from checking a manually maintained spreadsheet, other than the latter being more error prone.
> I spent an hour looking for an example of facial recognition that was accurate and detailed enough to tell the difference between individuals that ran on a Raspberry Pi, and came up blank
I haven't done it yet, but this seemed good enough for my purposes[1]? As far as I can tell, that runs completely on a pi with no cloud resources...
> which would still mean their data was leaving your control; that is pretty bad, I'd say.
Even if I needed to use cloud compute, I take issue with your phrasing. I don't believe people "own" information about themselves. If we are both in public, and I take a picture of you, write down facts about you, or otherwise observe you, I have not stolen anything of yours, and I do not need your consent to have done so.
[1] https://www.hackster.io/mjrobot/real-time-face-recognition-a...
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"Nothing to hide" is indicative of condoning inverted/actual totalitarianism, until the Chinese-inspired tracking system follows you around every moment of your life and gives you a social credit score that tells you that you can't fly on a plane or take a train. Or looks extra hard for any technicality felonies you commit unwittingly in your professional career as reprisal if you speak out against their abuses. So m…
having a person follow you around is not the same as an AI. you're comparing apples and oranges. I think having laws to control how and when the data is accessed as well as a degree of transparency into that access along with safeguards/oversight is reasonable. to simply say that we shouldn't use the technology is luddite fearmongering. should we have kept filing cabinets full of papers instead of databases for track…
Yes.
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I might be content with a large warning sign "LICENSE PLATE READER AHEAD" for each location.
Telling people you're doing something, but giving them no other options, isn't good enough. There are roads near me which do "toll by mail" where they snap a picture of your license plate, and then bill you the toll even if you don't have EZ-Pass. There are signs which announce this, but unless you're planning to drive 90 minutes out of your way, those sections of highway aren't avoidable. Even if there are other via…
Some of which may find it reprehensible. And maybe lobby to change.