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If it’s one you build yourself (e.g. Raspberry Pi with Kodi), it will be.

That's by definition not a third party box any more.

Isn't it third party from the tv vendor? I think that was the implied context. Although If you consider yourself as the vendor who built the device (did you really?) that would be first-party I guess.

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Few reasons why I prefer dumb TVs, just a flat LED panel: 1. You have control over bullshit like this 2. You can make them smart by attaching the external box 3. You don't have to throw the TV because your Software is now old, just change the box. 4. There's new format which requires hardware support (av1 is coming), change the box. 5. Want to add new hardware? Upgrade the box.

What's to prevent you from doing the same with a SmartTV in the future? Just disconnect it from the network and keep a box plugged into HDMI1.

Some functions of "smart" TVs are impossible to turn off, unfortunately. I personally don't like the FPS smoothing most modern TVs do, and for many there is no option to turn it off completely.

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#103
That sure is one hell of a privacy policy:

Information we may collect automatically includes information about:

access code , advertising IDs , apps and features you use , app usage information , clickstream data , connections to certain Services , connections to other devices , current software version , device model , device settings , Google Ad ID , hardware model , IMEI number , IP address , log information , MAC address , MNC , mobile network operator , non-persistent device identifiers , Personalized Service ID , referrer pages , sales code , search terms , serial number , subscription information , use of third-party websites , web browser characteristics , web pages you visit

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People like subsidized stuff. People who subsidize things like to do it only when they are paid more than the subsidies they give and they are paid based on who they subsidize because the people who are paying the subsidizers must go to the subsidized people and take their money for the subsidies. It's a rock-solid business model with a requirement to know your customers, it's not going away unless a better alternati…

This is specifically about privacy, which relates to targeting and tracking, not all ads. Most user data is completely useless to advertisers, but there is a mania for it right now. Perhaps it will end when ML people from CS backgrounds learn Bonferroni.

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#105

Few reasons why I prefer dumb TVs, just a flat LED panel: 1. You have control over bullshit like this 2. You can make them smart by attaching the external box 3. You don't have to throw the TV because your Software is now old, just change the box. 4. There's new format which requires hardware support (av1 is coming), change the box. 5. Want to add new hardware? Upgrade the box.

Wait until 5G rolls out into mass adoption where an IoT modem is built into every TV for “diagnostics”

What makes 5G so much different than an LTE modem for this type of application? If they were going to do this why wouldn’t it already be happening with LTE.

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Not sure what the problem is. The user consents to this by saying 'yes' when they are asked if they agree with the Terms and Conditions.

It's hard to argue a click through agreement presented after they already bought the TV represents informed consent.

I know rejecting it on my Samsung TV just reset the wizard

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We need something to firewall the Internets from our too-smart house stuff! Something like an inverse firewall. A waterwall.

Blocking unwanted egress is already accepted as possibly part of the functionality of a firewall (see, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egress_filtering ); there's nothing inherently 'reverse' about it. Indeed, note the symmetry in Wikipedia's definition of a firewall ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_(computing) ): > In computing, a firewall is a network security system that monitors and controls incoming…

I was trying to joke here. The untrusted network in our case is the internal network. In that sense.

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#108

It is simple. Never ever connect the TV to the internet. Use a third party box (or computer) you trust to handle the streaming connection. Apple has fairly reasonable privacy policies for Apple TV. Other boxes may as well. Related anecdote. My TV needed an update via internet. I noticed that there was no way to delete a wifi password, meaning once connected it was game over. The only solution was to setup temporary w…

A note for other boxes, especially the nVidia Shield. It's my top blocked client on my home network with pi-hole.

It tries to connect to api.segment.io every 30 seconds.

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Wait until 5G rolls out into mass adoption where an IoT modem is built into every TV for “diagnostics”

This is the only thing that mildly concerns me. Now I can just not connect. In the future, it may simply not be an option.

I’m sure the antennae will be impossible to physically disconnect as well. I really hoped we’d never get to Fahrenheit 451 but the wall to wall TVs that watch you are pretty close at hand.

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

#110

It is simple. Never ever connect the TV to the internet. Use a third party box (or computer) you trust to handle the streaming connection. Apple has fairly reasonable privacy policies for Apple TV. Other boxes may as well. Related anecdote. My TV needed an update via internet. I noticed that there was no way to delete a wifi password, meaning once connected it was game over. The only solution was to setup temporary w…

FWIW my Sony TV has an option to update via a thumb drive, which is exactly what I did since it’s not connected to the internet. Worked great.
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