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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by geofft »

malvosenior wrote: post #96
tptacek wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikileaks does not have a faultless record. For example: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-hel...

That's an example of "like him or not", it's not a retraction and nothing published was false.

That's a very strange definition of "faultless record." Shall we elevate the Ashley Madison password leakers to the same level of folk hero? What about a VPN that spies on its users - they never publish anything false, so any persecution is unfair, right?

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by rebuilder »

benologist wrote: post #78
bbatha wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snowden had already exfiltrated the documents by the time he coordinated with journalists to publish them. Assange allegedly instructed Manning on how to exfiltrate the documents and directed Manning’s exfiltration process. Publishing is protected by the first amendment, stealing classified documents is not and ergo conspiracy to steal documents is not.

Assange broke US laws that he was never subject to, as an Australian living in Europe.

That seems a bit simplistic. There's a wide range of crimes you can commit on-line without ever entering the jurisdiction of the victims.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by [deleted] »

threeseed wrote: post #100
benologist wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange broke US laws that he was never subject to, as an Australian living in Europe.

That's not how the entire fabric of international law works though. Citizenship and postal address are irrelevant. If you break the law in another country and there is an extradition treaty then you will face the consequences.

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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by forgetfulusr »

scient wrote: post #43
plutonorm wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Authoritarians emphasise the fact he broke laws, everyone else appreciates the moral act.

What moral act? Working for Russia and helping them push their agenda - willingly or out of ignorance? You are blind if you thing Assange and Wikileaks was some kind of a knight for truth.

Hmm, maybe if our 'fourth estate' actually wasn't the govs bitch, Assange's org wouldn't have looked so moral. But here we are.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by EthanHeilman »

sokoloff wrote: post #93
cardamomo wrote: post #83

*her

Genuine question: what is the most correct protocol on name and pronoun usage to describe past events, when the author wants to keep the focus on the fact of the accomplishment rather than the personal life of the actor? Is it: 1. Bruce Jenner won his gold medal in the Men’s Decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. 2. Bruce Jenner won her gold medal in the Men’s Decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. 3. Caitlyn Jenner won her gold m…

I believe the most respectful usage would be: "Caitlyn Jenner won her gold medal in the Men’s Decathlon at the 1976 Olympics." That is both the current name and pronouns are used to refer to past events.

Side note: someone who goes by she/her pronouns could enter the Men's Decathlon as they don't use pronouns to determine eligibility.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by malvosenior »

geofft wrote: post #101
malvosenior wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an example of "like him or not", it's not a retraction and nothing published was false.

That's a very strange definition of "faultless record." Shall we elevate the Ashley Madison password leakers to the same level of folk hero? What about a VPN that spies on its users - they never publish anything false, so any persecution is unfair, right?

We're talking about two different things. The grandparent said that Assange hasn't had to make any retractions and hasn't published any false info. This is undeniably true.

They also said "like him or not". Not everyone likes the outcome of his leaks. Many do. Many like some, but not others. Regardless, he's had a major impact on politics based on very true information Wikileaks has made available to the public.

If the Ashley Madison password leakers were helping expose corruption in the government, I'm sure some would view them as folk heroes too.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by corporate_shi11 »

I was part of a news and current events Facebook group a few years ago, when WikiLeaks was primarily known for leaking evidence of the US Military's abuses in the middle East.

Most of the people in this group were Democrats or otherwise on the Left. They cheered WikiLeaks and loved that it was exposing the abuses of a group they didn't like.

Fast forward to 2016, and WikiLeaks begins publishing damaging information related to Hillary Clinton's campaign. The same people who cheered WikiLeaks as it published very damaging information about the US Military now condemned it because it was targeting someone they actually supported.

This was a major moment of clarity and realization for me. It showed me that those who are quick to use ideals to defend their positions ("freedom of information is good, it exposes the US' crimes!") will just as quickly discard those ideals when they stop working in their own interest ("WikiLeaks should not be publishing damaging information about Clinton!").

I was disgusted, because these people were so quick to use a moralistic position built upon high ideals to attack the US but they were themselves absolutely bereft of a true commitment to ideals. Within a few weeks the group's attitude on WikiLeaks shifted from gratitude and respect to hatred.

When I pointed this out, I was kicked out of the group.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by jellicle »

ChrisSD wrote: post #5

> By what authority, or on what pretext, Assange is being tranquilised, and kept isolated, remains unknown I'm going to go out on a limb and say "ill health".

Which health conditions are improved by solitary confinement?

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by rbobby »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #79
rbobby wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange doesn't qualify for bail (he is a flight risk/certainty) so he stays in custody until the hearings are done. Made his bed and now has to lie in it.

He reported the truth. It’s an extraordinary trial this.

> He reported the truth. It’s an extraordinary trial this.

It's extradition hearings not a trail. Extraditions are pretty common, the statistics I found seem to indicate roughly 1,000 requests per year with about 50% being successful (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...)

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by sysbin »

sokoloff wrote: post #93
cardamomo wrote: post #83

*her

Genuine question: what is the most correct protocol on name and pronoun usage to describe past events, when the author wants to keep the focus on the fact of the accomplishment rather than the personal life of the actor? Is it: 1. Bruce Jenner won his gold medal in the Men’s Decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. 2. Bruce Jenner won her gold medal in the Men’s Decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. 3. Caitlyn Jenner won her gold m…

The most respectful is #3 and my view is from being transgender myself with knowledge of what others similar like me would desire as respect. Similar problems happen when a transgender person is murdered and the authority finds it by arguable belief that it’s necessary to report the birth sex for trying to catch the murder. One of the reasons I hope assisted suicide becomes legal for anyone.
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