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Boeing push to make training profitable may have left 737 Max pilots unprepared

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That's an interesting contrast to what I remember Richard Feynman saying about NASA after the Challenger - that the software was the area that was impeccably run compared to everything else.

Programming was a different game back then, when every kb counted. The bar was much higher. Niche PhDs chasing the cutting edge of technology. Now we have web dev.

What’s wrong with controlling spacecrafts with JavaScript?

Re: Boeing push to make training profitable may have left 737 Max pilots unprepared

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Is this an "MBA attitude?" I get the urge to rant, but I feel like even a good MBA would have seen training as a liability to mitigate in the larger business, not a profit center in its own right. A competent exec doesn't structure a business so that "everything is a profit center", as that drives specific behaviors, and you have to be careful about the accountability you put in place and how you're measuring those d…

This is unfortunately a very naive point of view. An exec in charge of training is an exec in charge of a cost center. No one likes costs, so no one appreciates his job and his career is hampered. Turning it into a profit center earns him respect and promotions.

This is why some orgs did an "internal outsourcing" of their IT / training / other "shared services" - they bill the other departments for what they do. It both disincentivizes waste for the client departments and prevents the "IT department is a cost center" mindset, at the downside of a boatload of bureaucracy if every purchase of, let's say, a broken HDMI cable has to go through countless approval loops.

Re: Boeing push to make training profitable may have left 737 Max pilots unprepared

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This was my experience as a contractor for the Navy, years ago. We’ve had radar systems that can detect planes after a reflection on another plane, but the software is dogshit. Someone once told me, it’s because generals and admirals can see hardware, and fell like they got value for their money. Software, not so much. Perhaps it’s something innate in humans. Remember how Beats headphones used to add weights to feel…

> Remember how Beats headphones used to add weights to feel more substantial? This was not really true, the original tear down that found weights was of a counterfeit pair of Beats headphones. https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/07/are-beats-headphones-real...

That article says that while the first pair was counterfeit, real Beats still include weights to feel more quality...

Re: Boeing push to make training profitable may have left 737 Max pilots unprepared

#104

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This was my experience as a contractor for the Navy, years ago. We’ve had radar systems that can detect planes after a reflection on another plane, but the software is dogshit. Someone once told me, it’s because generals and admirals can see hardware, and fell like they got value for their money. Software, not so much. Perhaps it’s something innate in humans. Remember how Beats headphones used to add weights to feel…

Adding weight to headphones does have a practical advantage: it keeps them firmly on your head. I had a relatively expensive - but very lightweight - set of headphones a while ago and I swapped them for a cheaper but heavier pair because they just wouldn’t stay in place.

That doesn't sound right to me. I don't think gravity is or should be the most important or even merely a significant factor keeping headsets in place. That, and less weight on the head should feel better to the head-holding muscles (not to your biased conscious self evaluating "feel" for the only brief time while you concentrate on it).

I would even say it is the opposite: The heavier the headset the tighter its grip has to be so that it stays in place during head movements. A tighter grip means more pressure around the ears, which for most people means less comfort.

I could see that while you concentrate on the feeling of headsets you may have that same bias as most people probably have that heavier equals better (quality, more solidly built), but I doubt that is true for the rest of your brain and your body.

I tried to find something, anything of substance on this concrete subject but this time my Google-foo failed. Links to research would be appreciated, if somebody else has better luck. A possible confounder is that heavier headsets - if it's not a cheat like in the discussed example - might indeed be better built, but I think we are talking about similar built quality here that only differ in weight, and objective criteria, not self-reported biased by already known to exist weightier-is-better value bias.

I only found this, which is really just a statement: "Relation between weight and comfort?" -- https://www.headphonezone.in/pages/headphone-weight

The weight of objects has interesting effects on our judgement: https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/holding-heavy-objects-... -- but obviously that does not mean the body sees weight the same, physiologically.

Re: Boeing push to make training profitable may have left 737 Max pilots unprepared

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It feels crazy to me that there's no proper accountability for it. "Let's make training profitable" + every other decision on the software side = 346 dead people. Those deaths weren't an accident, they were a result of Boeing's desire for perpetual growth at any cost, and to try and beat Airbus at their game. No one except the families of the victims will suffer from that. But go ahead and carry a bag of weed and be…

Sadly it's not a feature of Boeing, but a feature of unchecked capitalism.

Because in feudalism and before, or more recently in socialism - where I grew up - nobody ever took shortcuts, for selfish reasons or to please someone or to fulfill some goal (set by some boss or by the "central committee", does not matter) and everybody only thought of the greater good?

Many times when there is discussion about issues like the environment there is such a comment blaming capitalism. I can assure you from my own personal live experience and from having seen huge changes after reunification, in capitalism-free East Germany the environment was orders of magnitude worse off than in capitalist West Germany. Don't blame human behaviors on capitalism/socialism/whatever.

Re: Boeing push to make training profitable may have left 737 Max pilots unprepared

#106
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I think that's often the case in any company that doesn't sell software as a product/service. I know automotive companies are really terrible at it. That said, I'm not sure what level of engineering they do anyway. It seems like at best they design the chassis and maybe the engine. Everything else appears to be contracted out to some other firm. Is that the case?

Agreed, my company's biggest problems all come from a lack of basic software/programming skills which they've decided is not something they need to spend any effort on. In the words of my managers, "we are not a software company" and "learning to code is easy" and "eughhh I don't want to learn any of that computer science stuff". That latter one was when I mentioned something about clean code.

"learning to code is easy"

Oh boy, that's a good one. Like learning to write and learning to paint are easy. You can easily get SOME result...

By the way, I have automotive experience. They do, and have to, pay well.

Re: Boeing push to make training profitable may have left 737 Max pilots unprepared

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post #101

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Programming was a different game back then, when every kb counted. The bar was much higher. Niche PhDs chasing the cutting edge of technology. Now we have web dev.

What’s wrong with controlling spacecrafts with JavaScript?

Lack of a built-in integer type makes it clear that measurements are inaccurate, so there's a good reason for using JS in that domain :)

Re: Boeing push to make training profitable may have left 737 Max pilots unprepared

#108

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This was my experience as a contractor for the Navy, years ago. We’ve had radar systems that can detect planes after a reflection on another plane, but the software is dogshit. Someone once told me, it’s because generals and admirals can see hardware, and fell like they got value for their money. Software, not so much. Perhaps it’s something innate in humans. Remember how Beats headphones used to add weights to feel…

> Remember how Beats headphones used to add weights to feel more substantial? This was not really true, the original tear down that found weights was of a counterfeit pair of Beats headphones. https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/07/are-beats-headphones-real...

"As a few folks have pointed out, the version of the headphones we tore down was likely counterfeit. We have posted an in-depth comparison of these and a pair of authentic Beats headphones here. TL;DR: the authentic pair is nearly identical to the counterfeit one."

https://medium.com/@BenEinstein/how-it-s-made-series-beats-b...?

Re: Boeing push to make training profitable may have left 737 Max pilots unprepared

#110
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