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Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by wlesieutre » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 10:48 PM UTC

tesseract wrote: post #92

wlesieutre wrote: post #87

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If you want better software you could give SteerMouse a try: https://plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/download.php $20 purchase, but the 30 day demo should be enough to see if it works for you. I don’t know whether it will recognize all of the G700s’s buttons. I’m just using the trackpad on Mac now, but I used SteerMouse back in the day and it was much better than the official drivers.

I'm actually using SteerMouse with the Elecom because it doesn't have first-party Mac drivers. I never did try it with the G700s - I was already through with that based on the battery life. But it may have helped. (I am guessing, though, that even if it could handle all the buttons it wouldn't support the DPI switching on the G700s.)

Might be able to set the DPI switching stuff with its on device memory, set the rest of the buttons as generic mouse buttons, and then use it with SteerMouse.

Would require temporary use of the official software to set this up.

But if battery life was the problem it wouldn’t fix that. I use mine at my desk so I just plug it in and don’t have that issue.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by type0 » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 10:52 PM UTC

StavrosK wrote: post #83

type0 wrote: post #79

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Are there any good mice with replaceable cable? I no longer buy keyboards without replaceable cable (usually mechanical), surely the same could be applied for mice, how would one combat obsolescence otherwise.

Aren't all cables replaceable if you have a soldering iron?

I meant swappable, i.e easily replaceable. A regular user would not solder a new cable, you go and buy a new mouse. For better keyboards it's slowly changing, why don't we see the same for mice then? SteelSeries was doing that, but it should be more common with standard usb connection cable.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by p1necone » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 10:54 PM UTC

swinglock wrote: post #98

whalesalad wrote: post #89

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Then the sensitivity goes down and you gotta compensate by increasing the sensitivity elsewhere. Can never get it quite right.

Does it really? It shouldn't but it could be flawed.

I imagine the poster is probably thinking of DPI rather than polling rate - two different things.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by HankB99 » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 10:55 PM UTC

emsy wrote: post #22

Regarding Logitech Mice, I have the Anywhere MX and the Anywhere MX 2S here. I rarely used the old AMX but still, I got a defective left button switch after about 5 years in which I used it probably less than 500 hours total. Changing the switch is needlessly cumbersome, you have to remove rubber pads and battery stickers (which can't really be removed without destroying them). But the AMX feels solid and the on/off…

> AMX 2S is an absolute downgrade

Add to that no place to store the dongle. And no easy way to switch back to the dongle (unifying receiver) once Bluetooth is configured. You have to use the app to do that. I'm on Linux and there is no app (last time I looked.)

Nor do I care for a cable to charge it. I was happy with replaceable batteries.

I get frequent (Bluetooth) disconnects, though I don't know if it is the mouse or Linux' fault.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by brokenmachine » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:02 PM UTC

jagger27 wrote: post #88

jandrese wrote: post #6

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The power density on WiFi is minuscule. FCC Regulations mean you can transmit at a max of 300mW only, and the power you receive is affected by the Inverse Square Law on top of that, so total delivered power to your device is fractions of a mW unless your wireless router is right next to the router. Even then the entire process tends to be rather inefficient on top of that so the math probably doesn't work out. The Qi…

Well a mouse is likely next to a couple of client devices (phone, laptop, smart watch) that each have their own radio. Maybe it adds up?

It doesn't. The transmit time is packet switched between devices.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by StavrosK » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:04 PM UTC

type0 wrote: post #102

StavrosK wrote: post #83

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Aren't all cables replaceable if you have a soldering iron?

I meant swappable, i.e easily replaceable. A regular user would not solder a new cable, you go and buy a new mouse. For better keyboards it's slowly changing, why don't we see the same for mice then? SteelSeries was doing that, but it should be more common with standard usb connection cable.

Oh, I see. Do new keyboards have a micro USB port and you can just get a new cable? I haven't seen this, but I've also never had a cable go bad on me so this isn't a problem I've had.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by fmj » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:12 PM UTC

type0 wrote: post #102

StavrosK wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't all cables replaceable if you have a soldering iron?

I meant swappable, i.e easily replaceable. A regular user would not solder a new cable, you go and buy a new mouse. For better keyboards it's slowly changing, why don't we see the same for mice then? SteelSeries was doing that, but it should be more common with standard usb connection cable.

Most decent mice already use a connector between the cable and the board, its just not designed to be hot swappable.

The cable finally wore out on my old Logitech G5 and I was able to order a replacement for a few dollars. I also had to replace the skids since they covered the screw holes. All it took was a screwdriver and five minutes.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by fmj » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:20 PM UTC

rkagerer wrote: post #100

I'm really curious about the silkscreened ruler. Can anyone solve the mystery? https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02786-102... https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02791.jpg

It's placed over the antenna for the Bluetooth LE chip. I'm assuming it's related to antenna tuning/calibration.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by hinkley » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:21 PM UTC

bloopernova wrote: post #34

I just wish that MX Master 3 had a couple of extra buttons by the thumb. My 3 thumb buttons on my Logitech G500 are mapped to: Page Up, Page Down, and Back. Clicking and holding the Page Up button can rapidly take me back to the top of a page without moving my right hand to hit the home key on my keyboard. It's pretty useful, in my opinion, to be able to roughly and quickly scroll with Page Up/Down, then fine tune wi…

I think the original MX (what was it called, the 1000? Revolution?) had the three buttons and no thumbwheel and it was great for reading code and for playing a couple video games.

When they added the thumb wheel they moved the buttons too far back to be used comfortably. So it went in a drawer and I went back to the old one, found someone with leftover inventory and bought a spare for when the first wore out. When the second finally gave up the ghost I was not really playing those games anymore, but I still miss scanning code with page-up/page-down.

The 3 seems to compromise between the two. I just noticed it was available a couple days ago, so I'll be ordering one soon I expect.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by Razengan » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:22 PM UTC

whalesalad wrote: post #59

lilyball wrote: post #53

I love the Logitech hardware quality but I really wish they'd work on their software quality. I'm using a G502 at work right now with Logitech Gaming Software and the two completely baffling decisions they made with that software on macOS: 1. It has to be running. If I launch it for configuration and hit ⌘Q it stops working and my mouse reverts to the default. I have to remember to close the window instead, which lea…

Logitech software is a dumpster fire. For a while there it would start and go to 170-190% CPU and just burn until it was killed. I share your experience and frustration.

Companion software for hardware accessories has historically been terrible. I can't recall an instance where I wanted to keep companion apps besides drivers running in the background.

Whenever possible I would only open them for as long as I needed to configure something, then killed the process if it wasn't necessary.

Thankfully on the Mac I haven't encountered a need for those yet.