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How to proceed when you run out of cash, but you still believe?

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Re: How to proceed when you run out of cash, but you still believe?

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Who you know, luck, being in the right place at the right time are MAJOR components of success in life. Infinite number of equally talented people in this world, without the right path.

This comment showed as burried for me, which I find odd.

Me as well.

Re: How to proceed when you run out of cash, but you still believe?

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For the patent section, I don't understand how any of the 3 are worthy of a patent or were able to be patented. I'm not sure of timelines, but for the 3rd[1], isn't that what Instagram integrated ages ago with circles linked directly to a checkout - prior art?

[1] system to automatically match an item in an image, against its equivalent in a database with ecommerce links to purchase that same product.

Re: How to proceed when you run out of cash, but you still believe?

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> "We are a team of 8. We are 2 full-stack, 1 iOS, 1 Android and 4 product people."

And that leaves 0 for business + marketing + sales.

Maybe you didn't find the right business model during 5.5 years because you had nobody working on finding the right business model?

Re: How to proceed when you run out of cash, but you still believe?

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As someone who is interested in one day starting my own business, I have nothing but respect for someone who has the guts to follow through with that and pursue their vision. That being said... why did you (or if anyone else can chip in) decide to chase funding when you didn't have a business model? Maybe I'm being naïve here, but isn't it kind of crazy to raise 3.5M in funds for a business that has no plan but to be…

I’m no fan of the startup and HN definition of success being valuation, revenue, or market cap while ignoring (the lack of) profitability.

But from a cynical standpoint, why not take VC money if you can get it? It seems like you should take VC money if you don’t have a business model that would lead to being a profitable ongoing concern.

If I can see profitability, why would I give up equity?

You let other people take the downside risk. Why use your own money instead of other people’s money.

Re: How to proceed when you run out of cash, but you still believe?

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“Blogger” started like this, according to the interview in “Founders at Work”, an interesting book.

The guy of blogger had to fire pretty much everyone, and it was on bay still running, and everyone angry at the former employer. A few months pass and Blogger took off.

Re: How to proceed when you run out of cash, but you still believe?

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Yes you can. It's called a small business loan. See https://www.sba.gov/funding-programs/loans and https://www.bankofamerica.com/smallbusiness/business-financi... . You'd finance your dry cleaners with debt rather than equity because (unless you are starting a chain) you are not shooting for the massive, near-zero marginal cost scaling that the venture capital model focuses on. Instead, the bank looks for a modest, p…

Yah, but re:wework, throw in a dry cleaning app that schedules a dirty laundry pickup and suddenly the valuation goes from marginal to billions. Especially if you get some machine learning in there to detect spots (or something).

The economics of on-demand are totally different:

First, there's a delivery part. Delivery companies often become very big and make a lot of money.

Second, centralizing many small dry cleaning places into one has Significant economic advantages.

Third, they probably use an asset-lite model like Uber.

Fourth, all those make them somewhat similar to some sucsesfull, high growth companies , so it's possible they'll grow big.

Re: How to proceed when you run out of cash, but you still believe?

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> "We are a team of 8. We are 2 full-stack, 1 iOS, 1 Android and 4 product people." And that leaves 0 for business + marketing + sales. Maybe you didn't find the right business model during 5.5 years because you had nobody working on finding the right business model?

"Product people" is a very generic term, which likely includes some of what you mentioned.

Re: How to proceed when you run out of cash, but you still believe?

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> "We are a team of 8. We are 2 full-stack, 1 iOS, 1 Android and 4 product people." And that leaves 0 for business + marketing + sales. Maybe you didn't find the right business model during 5.5 years because you had nobody working on finding the right business model?

Engineers like to hire engineers (and designers/product people). I think its because the utility and scope tend to be pretty obvious and you can always see more and more to build. As a founder with an engineering past (although you never stop being an engineer!), I always find it a bit trickier to hire the non technical parts because you need to do their jobs first to really know what you need and generally, you need to navigate more ambiguity in an area of the business where you have less training and experience. That said, for the right products and business, you can probably get a way with borrowing resources from engineering for some marketing - I find that engineers with high EQ often make great digital marketers assuming they have some creative/content generation skills because they can really tune ads and think about the whole funnel in a very technical and numerical way. I have also found that it helps to have entirely nontechnical for the creative and advertising as well as there are a lot of places where engineers just can't always see past their engineering goggles.

Re: How to proceed when you run out of cash, but you still believe?

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As someone who is interested in one day starting my own business, I have nothing but respect for someone who has the guts to follow through with that and pursue their vision. That being said... why did you (or if anyone else can chip in) decide to chase funding when you didn't have a business model? Maybe I'm being naïve here, but isn't it kind of crazy to raise 3.5M in funds for a business that has no plan but to be…

> Maybe I'm being naïve here, but isn't it kind of crazy to raise 3.5M in funds for a business that has no plan but to be acquired by someone else? That's pretty common, and is basically what seed funding is . The paradox behind markets and investment is that logically speaking, if a potential company has a profitable business model, that company should already exist. After all, with millions of potential entrepreneu…

"After all, with millions of potential entrepreneurs across the globe and trillions in funding chasing them, the chance that an obviously profitable business model hasn't already been dreamed up and implemented by an entrepreneur is basically nil."

This basically amounts to "everything that can be invented has been invented". You sure?

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