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Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by yonaguska » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

snarf21 wrote: post #95

whatshisface wrote: post #7

America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

We pay for this all over the place and not just in planes. Look at it in communications, entertainment, social media. Stock price is valued as more important than choice for the consumer.

If you have cash to speculate, liquidate now- American market is going to take a dip in January with Boeing, which will be a good opportunity to re-invest.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by cameldrv » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

rsynnott wrote: post #70

CydeWeys wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It lost them money but it didn't hurt their brand. Those are great planes to fly in as a passenger, they're just not profitable in the end for Airbus. Boeing can't even keep its newest plane in the skies, and may have killed off the 737 line for good. Think another revision after the MAX is ever going to be approved?

I think a more modest re-engine of the 737 would absolutely be approved. They’d have to sell it at a discount vs the a32x, obviously.

I think that the MAX was about as modest as they could make it. That was really the point of the whole exercise. A more modern engine core with a smaller fan wouldn't have moved the fuel economy needle enough to justify a new model I don't think, and Boeing would have lost a lot of orders to the A320neo.

Everything would have been fine except there was so much pressure to make every change as modest as possible that it didn't quite all work. They needed to either make significant changes to the landing gear or significant changes to the flight control computer and they chose neither.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by theli0nheart » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #100

theli0nheart wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't think of a single broad economic axiom or theory that doesn't depend—wholly or in-part—on the principle of ceteris paribus, which excludes their practical application to essentially everything in real life. In a few cases, economic theories do a passable job of roughly mirroring real-world behavior, but that's the exception and not the rule.

> on the principle of ceteris paribus, which excludes their practical application to essentially everything in real life. When a principle is violated marginally, conclusions made based on the principle are themselves violated marginally. You can't write off chemistry because relativistic effects violate the conservation of mass any more than you can write off economics because no two soup cans are identical.

Economics waves off secondary effects at an entirely different level than Chemistry.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by pidg » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 4:29 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #99

socialdemocrat wrote: post #59

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Because Europe has not legalized corruption to the same degree as the US. Massive campaign contributions is not as common in Europe, hence large European multi-nationals likely don't have the same opportunity to change regulations to serve them. Of course they can still influence politicians by talking about all the jobs they will provide etc. Also power in Europe is not centralized the same way as it is in the US. I…

> Brüssels Please stop that. Brussels is the English name for the city and clearly that letter does not exist in English. Alternatives are "Brussel" (Dutch) and "Bruxelles" (French). The closest to what you wrote is the German "Brüssel" (no S).

Br[ü|u][x][s]sel[le]s?

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 4:29 PM UTC

socialdemocrat wrote: post #59

trimbo wrote: post #17

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Why would Airbus be different?

Because Europe has not legalized corruption to the same degree as the US. Massive campaign contributions is not as common in Europe, hence large European multi-nationals likely don't have the same opportunity to change regulations to serve them. Of course they can still influence politicians by talking about all the jobs they will provide etc. Also power in Europe is not centralized the same way as it is in the US. I…

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Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by soapboxrocket » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 4:29 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #7

America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

It's not just the airframe OEMs, but the entire supply base of aerospace manufactures has been going through a consolidation. Look at Rockwell Collins and Safran. But it's not all bad, most of this consolidation will lead to new opportunities for new suppliers.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 4:31 PM UTC

pidg wrote: post #104

hnarn wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brüssels Please stop that. Brussels is the English name for the city and clearly that letter does not exist in English. Alternatives are "Brussel" (Dutch) and "Bruxelles" (French). The closest to what you wrote is the German "Brüssel" (no S).

Br[ü|u][x][s]sel[le]s?

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Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by iguy » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 4:32 PM UTC

snarf21 wrote: post #95

whatshisface wrote: post #7

America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

We pay for this all over the place and not just in planes. Look at it in communications, entertainment, social media. Stock price is valued as more important than choice for the consumer.

And in things without a stock price, like the MTA. Isn't the second avenue subway exactly what you get when there's exactly one player in the game?

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by qaq » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 4:33 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #7

America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

So why Europe is not paying for merging everything into Airbus

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by fyfy18 » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

rsynnott wrote: post #11

> United’s 757 planes will reach the end of their lifespan in about a decade About a decade?! I was on one of their 757s returning to Dublin a while ago; it felt like they were already pushing the end of its lifespan. I suppose the repair of the interior doesn’t say much about the airframe...

Most airlines don't bother refitting older aircraft, or if they do it's just upgrading the entertainment system. Top tier airlines (e.g. Emirates and Singapore) typically refit their aircraft every 10 years, which involves pretty much reassembling it from scratch, so they don't feel as old.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3hLXP1R8y6o