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Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#101

Post by ksec »

jonplackett wrote: post #62
dewey wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s pretty normal to test features in one market and then roll it out and solve scaling issues or bugs that crop up. If you have a flawless strategy to scale and roll out a big bug free release across the globe I’m sure a lot of people would be interested in that. Just like Disney+ that started in the Netherlands months before starting in the US.

My guess is everyone on here defending US only... is in the US. Could be wrong.

Nope. Rolling out features in your home country is pretty normal. Apple does it all the time.

What I have problem is slow roll out features across the globe, when you cant see or understand the reason behind it.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#102

Post by callalex »

admax88q wrote: post #29
warhorse10_9 wrote: post #24

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Where did you get an implication that Wireguard was US-only. The poster you are replying to is simply stating since Wireguard may still be a bit buggy, they are rolling this out in the US first to iron out any kinks before making it widely available.

But how does rolling it out US only first help with the fact that Wireguard is buggy. They are already rolling it out slowly via a waiting list. Limiting that to US only doesn't really change how "widely available" it is in order to iron out the kinds. Seem more likely this is regulatory related.

Let’s take the fact that they don’t have the resources to launch to every user all at one for the reasons stated in comments near this one. Do you agree with that premise? If so, what do you propose as a more ideal limited rollout strategy? First come first served? That has its own share of problems with user burnout and people feeling annoyed after being left out as well.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#103

Post by callalex »

fulafel wrote: post #95
Semaphor wrote: post #89

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I recently became a mullvad customer and used wireguard for the first time. Maybe this is a windows thing, but it's so, so much faster than what I was used to from openVPN, ike, etc.

Anyone know if there's something weird about OpenVPN that makes it particularly bad? You'd think crypto + UDP encapsulation at consumer internet speeds would be pretty straightforward to implement performantly in this day and age.

Setup and tear down time are arguably a more important performance metric, especially on mobile devices where internet connections change frequently.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#104

Post by ensignavenger »

godelski wrote: post #79
hellcow wrote: post #35

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You mean the NordVPN that was hacked for god knows how long, knew about it themselves for months, and both deliberately hid that information from their customers and failed to fix the issue in a reasonable timeframe? [0] With Mozilla you get someone you can hopefully trust (hopefully being the operative word). [0] https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/21/nordvpn-confirms-it-was-ha...

I'm curious about the parent's question, but consider that Mullvad is about $5 on its own anyways. It also already supports international customers and multiple platforms. So I'm not sure why you would buy it through FF and not directly from Mullvad? It just seems like a middleman with no benefits.

I would like to buy it through Mozilla in order to support the Mozilla Foundation, because I want to support their work and help them break their dependency on Google for funding.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#105

Post by protonmail »

threatofrain wrote: post #15
commoner wrote: post #11

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Firefox Private Network uses Cloudflare for the browser extension and Mullvad for the desktop and mobile clients. > Our partner for FPN Browser Protection is Cloudflare. Our partner for FPN Full-device Protection is Mullvad. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox-private-networ... Mozilla previously sold ProtonVPN as an affiliate for $10/month, but Firefox Private Network doesn't use them at all. https://blog.…

But is Mozilla dropping mention of ProtonVPN due to a loss of confidence after the PIA CEO engaged in mud slinging on public forums? It’s noticeable that Mozilla never really defended their “associate”.

No, and this is supported by the timing. PIA made the inaccurate (and now withdrawn) allegations in July. Mozilla was aware of the allegations, visited Proton in Geneva, looked into said allegations, and announced the Proton partnership in October.

Proton doesn't support Wireguard which is the protocol Mozilla wanted to use. This was a conscious decision because Wireguard is UDP only, which poses a significant problem for many Proton users which are based in countries with strict censorship and UDP VPN protocols are easier to block. Therefore, Proton's VPN focus has shifted to working on TCP based solutions which can resist DPI.

While Proton and Mozilla's VPN focuses have diverged, there is still collaborations and discussions in other areas. For example, Thunderbird is integrating Enigmail, which is based upon the OpenPGPjs library that Proton maintains.

Proton and Mozilla have similar missions, and will continue to support each other in the future.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#107

Post by y4mi »

ksec wrote: post #101
jonplackett wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is everyone on here defending US only... is in the US. Could be wrong.

Nope. Rolling out features in your home country is pretty normal. Apple does it all the time. What I have problem is slow roll out features across the globe, when you cant see or understand the reason behind it.

Bad example, Apple's market share is tiny anywhere besides the US.

And this isn't a new thing. They partnered with an established vpn provider. Horizontal scaling won't be an issue there.

There is really no reason, but I don't really care either

And there is really no reason to not go to the actual provider. Same price and you can use it on all platforms. They even provider a wireguard backend.

https://mullvad.net/en/help/pricing-discounts/

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#108

Post by ed209a »

jplayer01 wrote: post #19

I don't understand. Their partner is Mullvad. Mullvad has servers across the entire god damn globe. Why is this US-only? Why is it US-only going into early 2020, as in, months to provide service to non-US regions in what's probably going to be a limited roll-out to "select regions"? It's not the 90s anymore. It's time to drop the US-centric crap. They're not a publisher. They're not distributing movies or TV series.

For legal and payment processing reasons most likely. May need extra time to set up for other countries. Hi dang ;)

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#110

Post by ksec »

y4mi wrote: post #107
ksec wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Rolling out features in your home country is pretty normal. Apple does it all the time. What I have problem is slow roll out features across the globe, when you cant see or understand the reason behind it.

Bad example, Apple's market share is tiny anywhere besides the US. And this isn't a new thing. They partnered with an established vpn provider. Horizontal scaling won't be an issue there. There is really no reason, but I don't really care either And there is really no reason to not go to the actual provider. Same price and you can use it on all platforms. They even provider a wireguard backend. https://mullvad.net/en…

>Apple's market share is tiny anywhere besides the US

What?

So is iPhone Upgrade Programme, or Apple Pay where NFC were well established. There are always things to iron out before taking it further.

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