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Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

tempguy9999 wrote: post #94
CathedralBorrow wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> many people don't want to put in the effort to learn stuff that would benefit them immediately I take it you're not counting yourself in that group? Have you already learned everything that would benefit you immediately?

It would be a better question if you asked it fairly: "Have you already learned everything". I did not suggest or imply 'everything' should be learnt.

That's fair. Your comment would also be better if you quoted me fairly and didn't cut off the second half of my question.

"Everything" and "Everything that would benefit you immediately" are not the same thing. But I don't think there's much to gain from more bickering here, let me just retract my comment.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by formercoder »

varjag wrote: post #83
formercoder wrote: post #77

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And of your productivity for those tied to excel, word, and powerpoint

https://products.office.com/en-us/mac/microsoft-office-for-m...

Excel for Mac does not support multiple cores and has a much more limited set of hotkeys, along with a more limited universe of addons.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by tempguy9999 »

CathedralBorrow wrote: post #101
tempguy9999 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be a better question if you asked it fairly: "Have you already learned everything". I did not suggest or imply 'everything' should be learnt.

That's fair. Your comment would also be better if you quoted me fairly and didn't cut off the second half of my question. "Everything" and "Everything that would benefit you immediately" are not the same thing. But I don't think there's much to gain from more bickering here, let me just retract my comment.

That's very civil of you, upvoted. OK, now I can answer. It's all a balance of investment, payback (which can be direct - "gets me a job" - and nebulous life-quality stuff - "that's interesting!") and erm, my lifespan.

I try to make those tradeoffs consciously. If I decide x is valuable but boring, these days I'll measure it against other priorities, if it wins I force myself to do it.

So I try. It's an acquired skill which I'm still working on.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by saiya-jin »

czechdeveloper wrote: post #98
Iv wrote: post #26

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Thing is, it took me a long time to accept that people not caring was ok. Now I realize that my dad is frustrated I never learned something as simple as changing the oil on my car. My mom does not understand how I can't name more than two flowers and can't bake a pie. My legal-minded friends are astounded I do not take a day to work on my legal status to pay less taxes. Hell, my wife does the paperwork I am not even…

This I don't understand. You are interested in economy and politics, yet you don't know how to file taxes. Is that not connected? If you understand mechanics, yet can't do maintenance on your car, not even talking about fixing anything. This level of theoretical knowledge that can't overreach to reality to do basic tasks seems just irrelevant to me. What is it good for apart of talking about it?

General curiosity in some topic? I can talk quite a bit about firearms, ammunition etc. yet I never owned a gun, shot altogether maybe 5-8 rounds in my whole life (apart from BB gun).

I like watching youtube channels like Demolition ranch or Iraqveteran8888 for their technical expertise, viewpoints and just fun. Without any real expectation to ever own a gun to expand on this knowledge. Maybe some nice bow one day (which these channels don't even cover).

Don't expect everybody acting rationally all the time, considering cost/benefit against all activities, or similar.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

_8j50 wrote: post #68
Simon321 wrote: post #18

If you work in security, this resonates so much. No one really cares about security except to check a box or pay lip service to it. That's why so called security products ship without logging and clients don't want to make the smallest effort to enable you to improve their security. It's why companies that sell security products invest more in marketing than the product. The industry is full of conmen and marketeers.…

Bro (or Sis? :) )! They're not supposed to care about security, you are! Our job in infosec is to show others how insecurity affects what they care about so in order reduce,transfer or eliminate risk to what they care about they allow us to implement good security. The failure is on the infosec side of the equation. It confounds and mildly pisses me off when people get pissed and get burned out over suits not caring…

This is what happens when companies don't understand security.

https://www.csoonline.com/article/3410278/the-biggest-data-b...

You think a million a year is expensive? It's not - not if it's saving you a $200m fine, and possible class action damages.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

CathedralBorrow wrote: post #74
antihero wrote: post #71

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> Furthermore your average engineer wouldn't eat a ham sandwich handed to them on the street by a stranger We would however eat one provided by a café that our colleagues recommended.

That's true, and a good point, but a big part of that trust comes from the knowledge that no one can run a café without some kind of oversight and inspection on food safety. I probably wouldn't eat a sandwich from a bootleg café.

Define "bootleg."

http://heartbleed.com/

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #51
Iv wrote: post #26

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Thing is, it took me a long time to accept that people not caring was ok. Now I realize that my dad is frustrated I never learned something as simple as changing the oil on my car. My mom does not understand how I can't name more than two flowers and can't bake a pie. My legal-minded friends are astounded I do not take a day to work on my legal status to pay less taxes. Hell, my wife does the paperwork I am not even…

Your mom and dad, or grandparents probably didn't need to know, even though they know how. Most of their interactions were with local businesses, with people who, like themselves, were part of the local community. The unofficial grapevine worked pretty well for rooting out the good and bad mechanics, lawyers and florists. Your dad could change the oil, but almost certainly knew which mechanics could be trusted to hav…

That's really the point of success in business - it gives you the ultimate privilege of hugely decreasing the odds that you'll be held responsible for damage you cause to others.

Occasionally the wheels come off (maybe literally) and someone with significant power ends up in jail. But realistically - how often?

Which is why software security and quality aren't a thing. There's no pressure to do the job properly and plenty of incentive not to.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by EnderMB »

teekert wrote: post #90
EnderMB wrote: post #81

I don't explicitly work in security, but I've had a handful of arguments in the past where I've discovered a serious vulnerability, and been told either by my managers or by a client that it is low-priority. Sometimes, the vulnerability was then exploited, and what shocked me was that people were okay with this. I won't name names, but one marketing department I worked with was happier to suffer a customer data leak…

That's why EU laws to punish such negligence are a good thing. They increase the risk for companies, to something very specific.

I'm in the UK, so all of these companies are either primarily based in the EU, or do business here.

GDPR has put some fear back in, but even today there are loads of companies that simply don't give a shit, and will happily risk it all so that they don't have to adapt their practices from years ago. In my experience, smaller companies are the worst offenders, because they know they are small fry.

Pipdig are a UK company, and have been actively caught using malicious code with proof, yet they're still running without a care in the world. This all happened recently too, so it's not like it's a pre-GDPR or pre-ICO crackdown issue.

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