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Indiana man charged with theft for removing police tracking device from car

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Re: Indiana man charged with theft for removing police tracking device from car

#101
post #56

However you may feel about the theft charge, if you find a tracker on your car, don't take it off. It's an occasion to call the police. Someone is either committing a crime by tracking you illegally or you're letting the police know you found their tracker. Maybe they'll remove it, as once the tracker is known to exist it's useless. If you want to go the route of civil disobedience and take it off on moral grounds, y…

> However you may feel about the theft charge, if you find a tracker on your car, don't take it off.

Yes, but ...

> It's an occasion to call the police.

If you are a drug dealer it is an occasion to hide your supply extra hard. And use a second car/taxi for your drug dealing while using the compromised car for perfectly legal things like an upstanding citizen.

Re: Indiana man charged with theft for removing police tracking device from car

#103
post #101
post #56

However you may feel about the theft charge, if you find a tracker on your car, don't take it off. It's an occasion to call the police. Someone is either committing a crime by tracking you illegally or you're letting the police know you found their tracker. Maybe they'll remove it, as once the tracker is known to exist it's useless. If you want to go the route of civil disobedience and take it off on moral grounds, y…

> However you may feel about the theft charge, if you find a tracker on your car, don't take it off. Yes, but ... > It's an occasion to call the police. If you are a drug dealer it is an occasion to hide your supply extra hard. And use a second car/taxi for your drug dealing while using the compromised car for perfectly legal things like an upstanding citizen.

> And use a second car/taxi for your drug dealing

If you are a drug dealer and find a police tracker on your car, it's time to stop being a drug dealer.

Re: Indiana man charged with theft for removing police tracking device from car

#104
post #95

That part doesn’t sound right: > trackers placed by the government under a warrant are distinct from those placed by private citizens. Removing a device from a car where it has a legal basis to be “deprives the police of its use,” he claimed, and constitutes a crime. You have no way to tell a police tracker from a stawker’s one. How can removing it possibly constitute a crime?

Yeah, how can that law have Mens Rea if you can't possibly know, then again it's the police so justice doesn't always apply.

Re: Indiana man charged with theft for removing police tracking device from car

#105
This may be a bit of an exaggeration, but there are some implications to IT. May running malware removal tools (or antivirus software in general) be theft? Was the malware planted by a government agency? By your government? Under a warrant? Better don't touch at all?

(The entire matter is highly absurd.)

Re: Indiana man charged with theft for removing police tracking device from car

#107
post #95

That part doesn’t sound right: > trackers placed by the government under a warrant are distinct from those placed by private citizens. Removing a device from a car where it has a legal basis to be “deprives the police of its use,” he claimed, and constitutes a crime. You have no way to tell a police tracker from a stawker’s one. How can removing it possibly constitute a crime?

Yeah, how can that law have Mens Rea if you can't possibly know, then again it's the police so justice doesn't always apply.

They'll start placing "property of XY police department" stickers on the devices.

Re: Indiana man charged with theft for removing police tracking device from car

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, how can that law have Mens Rea if you can't possibly know, then again it's the police so justice doesn't always apply.

They'll start placing "property of XY police department" stickers on the devices.

And so will the stalkers.

Re: Indiana man charged with theft for removing police tracking device from car

#109
post #95

That part doesn’t sound right: > trackers placed by the government under a warrant are distinct from those placed by private citizens. Removing a device from a car where it has a legal basis to be “deprives the police of its use,” he claimed, and constitutes a crime. You have no way to tell a police tracker from a stawker’s one. How can removing it possibly constitute a crime?

He should have mailed the device to the police.

Then again, even if he disposed the device, the police should have been able to track it down.

Re: Indiana man charged with theft for removing police tracking device from car

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd settle for experimenting with "same". If a regular citizen can't plant a bug, neither can police. If police can conduct a stakeout, so can regular citizens. They just have to follow the same process. That might include going in front of a judge and getting a warrant. If a regular citizen could break up a bar fight, the police should be able to take the same actions. If police can set up a sting operation, so shou…

So which do you think makes more sense: Police are not allowed to arrest people, or everyone is allowed to arrest?

Everyone being allowed to arrest is actually not far from truth in many places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_Stat...
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