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Re: Disable new Slack WYSIWYG editor with this bookmarklet

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Some users prefer having a separate app with its own icon and window instead of another tab in a browser. It keeps things Separate

You can do this already for slack in chromium browsers. Click Menu -> More Tools -> Create Shortcut. The app will run in an app window and NOT a tabbed browser window, just like a PWA, with it's own dock icon and cmd-tab icon.

Huh, that's incredibly useful. I'll have to keep that in mind!

Re: Disable new Slack WYSIWYG editor with this bookmarklet

#103
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Slack is extremely hostile towards user feedback. I sent them comments on what I believe to be a terrible feature and they also told me it will never be changed.

"extremely hostile" sounds hyperbolic. Unless you were somehow attacked, threatened, sent a C&D, or had an account disabled, they simply steamrolled over your opinions. And they are far from the first consumer-facing company to deal with user backlash when a new feature came out. Facebook notoriously got an onslaught of negative opinions and sometimes press when a feature in the UI changed. The UI never caused any si…

Slack was being jerks telling everyone change is hard and to suck it up. Now, they backpeddled.

This is what hostility looks like. They think they know better than their users. They don’t.

Re: Disable new Slack WYSIWYG editor with this bookmarklet

#104

Good news, they're backpedaling. Just got this in a support request: >We really appreciate your feedback, and we hear your frustration. We're sorry for the impact this is having on your ability to communicate with your team and on your overall productivity. We made a mistake by forcing everyone into this feature without providing an opt-out for customers like you: people for whom the existing behavior was working jus…

> we expect to have it available on the desktop within a couple of weeks,

A couple of WEEKS???

Re: Disable new Slack WYSIWYG editor with this bookmarklet

#105
post #57

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Slack is an enterprise product. You aren't the guy who buys it, so what you think is irrelevant. They don't care anymore, user experience won't affect their bottom line unless it somehow becomes a Powerpoint bullet vs. some other enterprise competitor, which by definition is equally unconcerned about end-user opinions for the same reasons. Atlassian is the same way now, providing any kind of feedback to them is equiv…

> what you think is irrelevant If Slack thinks this, they are only 2-3 years from getting overtaken by a disruptor. I don't think they do. How much sway angry emails have over actual usage is a different question. Facebook notoriously used analytics and A/B tests to decide if feature changes stayed, not angry complaint messages.

> they are only 2-3 years from getting overtaken by a disruptor

There are literally dozens to hundreds of cases that prove otherwise. Look at all the current tech giants...

Re: Disable new Slack WYSIWYG editor with this bookmarklet

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You can include native code in Electron apps. I am not sure it is actually needed in any of the messaging Electron apps (Slack, Discord), but the capability is there. My favorite Electron app is Balena Etcher. It is "dd" but uses 200MB of RAM. It is AMAZING.

Hmm, that doesn't seem totally fair - it's 'dd' but with guardrails so that schoolchildren who want to flash raspbian onto an SD card don't accidentally overwrite their boot disk.

I think you can do that without involving Chromium, but I am not well-versed in the ways of full-stack enterprise-ready desktop apps.

Re: Disable new Slack WYSIWYG editor with this bookmarklet

#107

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You can include native code in Electron apps. I am not sure it is actually needed in any of the messaging Electron apps (Slack, Discord), but the capability is there. My favorite Electron app is Balena Etcher. It is "dd" but uses 200MB of RAM. It is AMAZING.

Does it actually include any native code, or does it just wrap `dd`? I tried this app and it was beyond awful. I went back to `dd`.

Apparently it uses some native code to get the necessary permissions on Windows: https://github.com/balena-io/etcher/blob/master/src/os/win32...

Re: Disable new Slack WYSIWYG editor with this bookmarklet

#108

Good news, they're backpedaling. Just got this in a support request: >We really appreciate your feedback, and we hear your frustration. We're sorry for the impact this is having on your ability to communicate with your team and on your overall productivity. We made a mistake by forcing everyone into this feature without providing an opt-out for customers like you: people for whom the existing behavior was working jus…

> we expect to have it available on the desktop within a couple of weeks, A couple of WEEKS???

I can't tell if you think that's fast or slow. They're not just rolling back the feature; they have to add a new user preference, and replace the A/B test with the ability to run either way. Add in testing and such, and given Slack's scale, getting that released in a couple weeks sounds about right.

Re: Disable new Slack WYSIWYG editor with this bookmarklet

#109
post #79
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You can do it in the desktop app as well. If you run it with SLACK_DEVELOPER_MENU=true in env vars, it'll enable you to right click to Inspect Element, open devtools and run this code snippet there

Alternatively, you can run `launchctl setenv SLACK_DEVELOPER_MENU true` and then the dev menu will work if you launch slack from anywhere, and will persist until you log out. If you create the following plist in ~/Library/LaunchAgents, macOS will set that env variable every time you log in (except if you tell it to reopen windows when logging back in). Change "NAME.OF.FILE" to the plist's filename without the .plist…

@ihuman Is this really an "alternative"? To me it is a platform-specific "howto" (in that case, Mac OS X) that implements a platform-neutral recommendation (parent post).

Re: Disable new Slack WYSIWYG editor with this bookmarklet

#110
Just got another note from them:

  We really appreciate your feedback, and we hear your frustration. 
  We're sorry for the impact this is having on your ability to communicate with your team and on your overall productivity. 
  We made a mistake by forcing everyone into this feature without providing an opt-out for customers like you: people for whom the existing behavior was working just fine.

  We've started working on a preference that will let you return to the previous message composer. 
  We don't have a specific release date to share right now — it's this team's top and only priority, however, and we expect to have it available on the desktop within a couple of weeks, with Android following shortly thereafter.

  We will follow up with another note when this option is available to you, and we'll include instructions on how to enable it.

  Again, we're sorry for the disruption and we're grateful for the feedback. 
  We missed the mark on this feature! We will do our best to learn from this and avoid similar mistakes in the future.
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