I would pay $1000 extra for no Touch Bar.
16-inch MacBook Pro
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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#102I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…
I have never used them, but what is wrong with the full-sized left and right arrow keys?
They're hard to locate by touch. Seems counter-intuitive, maybe, but I'm sure I won't be alone in attesting from experience that it does make a difference.
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#103Go from 16GB to 32GB of RAM and 1TB to 2TB and you have over $800 in upgrades.
I put 16GB in my 2013 Mac Book Pro. The extra RAM is key to getting a few more years of use.
An external SSD would be fine but Mac laptops never have enough ports.
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#104A co-worker is really impressed with all the improvements, but they seem to mostly be improvements over previous poor ideas from Apple, that other brands already had or never abandoned.
I admit, a 16" screen in a 15" body sounds really nice. But most of this is stuff other brands already had.
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#105For those of you mentioning the esc key, I suggest mapping capslock to esc, I've been doing that for years now (both Linux and Mac) and it's awesome. Except when you're using someone else's computer and constantly turn capslock on and off... Edit: You can do this natively since Mojave(?) in the keyboard settings without having to resort to something like Karabiner.
Unless that’s where you’ve already remapped ctrl.
I have both using Karabiner-Elements. Escape when pressed alone, ctrl if pressed with something else.
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#106I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…
The escape key will be especially welcome by me, as I found the touchbar exceptionally hard to deal with, and I would often have to hit it three or four times to get vim to exit insert mode. I actually didn't have much trouble with the arrow keys, despite all the negative feedback I saw for them online. Hopefully this trend continues and they can iterate on this model even further.
Personally an Emacs user---I use the esc key loads too. Best thing I ever did was install Karabiner to remap capslock to esc when tapped, and to ctrl when held down. (One meta key to rule them all!) Have you tried anything like that? Just curious.
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel the same. The stubbornness of Apple that was so frustrating is a bit more flexible now, paying attention to "subtle" feedback like the arrow key's sizes.
We devs are so conservative. It's ridiculous. Nobody allows Apple to innovate.
Apple can innovate as much as they wish. For example put the touchbar above the keyboard or below the LCD. Nobody is complaining about the TouchID on the power button for example, since that maintains its core purpose.
People are complaining because 30+ year old keys they rely on to do their professional work were removed to add arguably a gimmick with a worse user experience/no touch feedback.
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#10816 matches for the word “ever” in that page.
I love the Esc key is back though and hopefully it doesn’t throttle as much as my current 2017 MBP.
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#109So the top of the line specs get you: * 2.4GHz 8‑core 9th‑generation Intel Core i9 processor, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz * 64GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory * AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 memory * 8TB SSD storage for $6099USD. I wonder how it will handle the thermals.
For reference, a Dell Inspiron (~$400) can have a Intel Core 10th gen (+50% L1/L2 and AVX512).
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#110I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…
I have never used them, but what is wrong with the full-sized left and right arrow keys?
It's much harder to blindly tell where in the arrow key cluster your finger has landed without the blank spaces of the inverted T layout.