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The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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Re: The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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You are suggesting sex work is preferable to Uber? Have you ever been a sex worker? I am as libertarian as it comes, but that false dichotomy is ridiculous. Either get “exploited” by Uber or get a job where men stick their penises in you a dozen times a day. But at least you aren’t being “exploited” by some filthy VC-funded capitalists right?

> or get a job where men stick their penises in you a dozen times a day. How is that different from lifting boxes in some factory job, or whatever menial work? I mean, I know the e.g. Christian answer. What would the distinction be, however, without giving some special negative spiritual quality to having sex?

You phrased this question way better than I could.

This person has a valid, subjective opinion on taking penis in return for cash, but it's not necessarily the case for everyone.

Note that I'm not saying that being a sex slave is better than working a low tier job. I'm comparing peeing in a bottle, having every movement tracked/optimized and skipping meals to deliver Amazon packages vs true freelance sex work.

Re: The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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You are suggesting sex work is preferable to Uber? Have you ever been a sex worker? I am as libertarian as it comes, but that false dichotomy is ridiculous. Either get “exploited” by Uber or get a job where men stick their penises in you a dozen times a day. But at least you aren’t being “exploited” by some filthy VC-funded capitalists right?

Perhaps you should not assume stuff. Not all prostitutes dislike their work; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21346209 Now, an actual fact, I knew a guy, a licensed accountant, about 20 years ago who did the accounts of a working lady (ok, prostitute). He said she was pulling in about £80,000/year. He didn't say whether she liked her job so I can't help you there.

Did he say how many "sales" she had to make to earn that £80,000?

Re: The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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I don't see why being "trashy" and into drugs+sex has to be relegated to a journey outside the city center. Pearl clutching moralists (not necessarily you) always have a strong voice at this table though. Being interested in these things is no better than raising useless generations of children who, on average, will eventually have MULTIPLE degenerates in the family line. Some jobs are just simply for poor people. I'…

> The work involving sex doesn't make it significantly more exploitative than [...] driving for Uber How many uber drivers were assaulted or killed in the last month? How many are coerced into driving for uber, and have their gains captured by third party? In which cities are there rings traficking slaves to drive uber cabs? What is the mean age of death for uber drivers? I mean, please... do yourself a favour and re…

Good question.

Are we talking about sex workers globally or in countries where it is legalized and centralized?

I'm comparing specifically to places like Hong Kong and Amsterdam that have this work legalized, which is the topic at hand. OP wants the red light district either moved or removed.

Prostitution is going to exist in some form. I think we agree there, so do you think moving it outside of the city center is going to improve the situation for these women? I feel like it would do the opposite.

Re: The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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Everyone is cool from afar with sexwork until a meth head is jerking it on their doorstep. "Like, wouldn't you rather have it be regulated and legal?" Everyone is cool from afar with homeless until they're sleeping in their own doorway. "Like, why are you trying to get rid of all of these poor homeless people?" "What's the big deal, maaaaan?" they ask, "Why do you have a problem with it?" But the second the problem c…

Right - because say, there's obviously no nuance required between "rough sleepers are still people" and "let's add spikes to the building entrance so we don't have to look at rough sleepers in the morning". It's really just a bunch of hippie hypocrites, slurring their "maaaaan" and pretending everything is alright until they call the cops, and you're certainly not projecting your own view about the world, making spur…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. Consider the quality difference between this comment and one like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21346620.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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Right - because say, there's obviously no nuance required between "rough sleepers are still people" and "let's add spikes to the building entrance so we don't have to look at rough sleepers in the morning". It's really just a bunch of hippie hypocrites, slurring their "maaaaan" and pretending everything is alright until they call the cops, and you're certainly not projecting your own view about the world, making spur…

> Right - because say, there's obviously no nuance required between "rough sleepers are still people" and "let's add spikes to the building entrance so we don't have to look at rough sleepers in the morning". Every single person, without exception, you included, would be really pissed off with and do everything to get rid of a rough sleeper sleeping on under their window. Instead of adding spikes, they will call the…

Please don't feed flamewars on HN. Perhaps you didn't mean to start one, though your comment upthread was needlessly provocative—but this just takes things further into hell. We're trying to go the other way.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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> Everyone is cool from afar with sexwork until a meth head is jerking it on their doorstep You are confusing or conflating sex work with drug use. > Everyone is cool from afar with homeless until they're sleeping in their own doorway I would be ok with that; you don't speak for me. > self-righteously Yeah, sure. None of your post reflects on your self-centredness.

We've asked you repeatedly to stop posting in the flamewar style to HN. If you keep doing it we are going to have to ban you.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21345919 and marked it off-topic.

Re: The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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I have been living in Amsterdam for about half a year. Met lots of locals. The red light district is not liked. It’s full of trashy people wanting to do drugs and have sex. Sure if you find those to be pleasures of life then be my guest, but the locals hate it: imagine having an entire neighborhood ruined by these kind of people, who let me tell you are not the most respectful kind. But the real issue is that none of…

How did they ruin the neighborhood? They ARE the neighborhood, and have been for hundreds of years. You seem to be arguing that something is ok if one doesn't do it for the money? Lots of people do things for money, are they being exploited as well? Your argument seems to be, there might be corruption, and there are no locals.

Re: The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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Find me a bush on market street in the finance district.

Although I am somewhat tempted to see exactly how far you will bend over backwards to justify people shitting in doorways in broad daylight, I will resist the temptation and move on. Take care.

:) i agree its not normal behavior but the homeless have been dehumanized enough they arent quite normal. Add a bit of mental issues and no public poopers... its simple to understand

Re: The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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Perhaps you should not assume stuff. Not all prostitutes dislike their work; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21346209 Now, an actual fact, I knew a guy, a licensed accountant, about 20 years ago who did the accounts of a working lady (ok, prostitute). He said she was pulling in about £80,000/year. He didn't say whether she liked her job so I can't help you there.

Did he say how many "sales" she had to make to earn that £80,000?

I've no more information than what I posted. I can pretty safely assume she wasn't a streetwalker (they don't make much, I do not envy them at all).

Re: The Uncertain Fate of Amsterdam’s Red-Light District

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Perhaps you should not assume stuff. Not all prostitutes dislike their work; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21346209 Now, an actual fact, I knew a guy, a licensed accountant, about 20 years ago who did the accounts of a working lady (ok, prostitute). He said she was pulling in about £80,000/year. He didn't say whether she liked her job so I can't help you there.

Did he say how many "sales" she had to make to earn that £80,000?

Ah, hollerith from TheRegister? If so, hail and well met.
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