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Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by School-Cotton »

lucb1e wrote: post #94
pluc wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived in Germany for a bit and Deepl is what everyone recommended over Google for professional translation. Google is great to figure out how to ask for your schnitzel at the shop, but Deepl is for when you want to make a deal.

Another Luc here that lives in Germany since a bit (yes, I know you said "for a bit") and recommends Deepl to everyone over Google :D

I’m not sure about European English, but at least in American, it’s not normal to say “I live in Germany since a bit”. If you don’t live there anymore, you could say “I lived in Germany for a bit”. If you still live there, you could say “I have lived in Germany for a bit”

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by abhgh »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #81
dredmorbius wrote: post #78

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From reports, Google Translate has effectively created its own internal (AI GD ML) metalanguage, which can interpolate between languages it's not been specifically trained on. E.g., with Japanese English and Korean English, Google Translate can manage Japanese Korean, without being specifically trained to do so. So yes, there's an intermediary language. But it's not English. https://www.newscientist.com/article/21147…

It seems to be 'fixed' now, but once I was trying to translate from Hindi to Nepali (which are actually closely-related languages, think Italian and Spanish) with a simple sentence along the lines 'Ram came', where 'Ram' is a common Hindu name (effectively: 'John'), written in Devanagari with a long vowel: राम (rām). And I gave the Hindi input in devanagari (राम आ गया), but still the Nepali translation ended up being…

This is interesting! So its not just about grammatical patterns, but other stuff that might be parsed as named entities.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by asveikau »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #75
distances wrote: post #28

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> So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. In my experience Deepl is consistently, without fail, considerably better than Google Translate. I basically use Google now only for more exotic language pairs, or full-page translations.

> more exotic language pairs I've found that sometimes what Google does for these is translate from Language A > English, and then English > Language B, which leads to bizarre results.

Sometimes I have seen English words injected verbatim/untranslated in the middle of a phrase, when asked to translate between two non-English languages.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

dredmorbius wrote: post #78
_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> more exotic language pairs I've found that sometimes what Google does for these is translate from Language A > English, and then English > Language B, which leads to bizarre results.

From reports, Google Translate has effectively created its own internal (AI GD ML) metalanguage, which can interpolate between languages it's not been specifically trained on. E.g., with Japanese English and Korean English, Google Translate can manage Japanese Korean, without being specifically trained to do so. So yes, there's an intermediary language. But it's not English. https://www.newscientist.com/article/21147…

Supposedly, but it behaves suspiciously like English in practice, perhaps because of the input data (lots of texts originally in English then translated to many languages and fed in)

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by kzrdude »

Aeolun wrote: post #85
mrweasel wrote: post #52

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Because it's very much site dependent what language I want. I don't expect the browser to transmit ANY kind of language information to the site. For instance I never want the Danish version of Wikipedia, but I do want the Danish version of a Danish news site, or the Swedish version of a Swedish website. There's no real way to indicate those preferences to the browser, so it would be best if it never try to deal with…

If you have exceptions for certain websites, isn’t it still better for the browser to tell the website in the 90% of other cases?

I have some "advanced" language settings, but they are almost always ignored. For example google search ignores it and uses some kind of geolocation to decide what languages I want my search results from.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by giancarlostoro »

amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

That's really good, I even tried olden English to an extent to Spanish, and it still went through.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by ga-vu »

jeremiahlee wrote: post #3

I wonder if this explains why Mozilla unexpectedly remotely disabled Page Translator add-on yesterday after previously permitting it to be distributed as a side-load for two years. https://github.com/jeremiahlee/page-translator/issues/26

Your extension clearly breaks their rules. Come on now.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by gundmc »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #75
distances wrote: post #28

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> So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. In my experience Deepl is consistently, without fail, considerably better than Google Translate. I basically use Google now only for more exotic language pairs, or full-page translations.

> more exotic language pairs I've found that sometimes what Google does for these is translate from Language A > English, and then English > Language B, which leads to bizarre results.

This is pretty standard, even in human (non-automated) translation.

One example is technical/service documentation for a heavy machinery company I worked for. The tech writers were based in Germany, but O&M Manuals were required in Japanese for sale in Japan. Those docs were translated using English as a "pivot language". Usually dictated by pricing (fewer German+Japanese translators = much higher cost).

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by ezconnect »

amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

Sadly there's no korean to english.
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