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Re: Google and Ambient Computing

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It's a symptom of an underlying problem. - companies used to respect us. - computers used to belong to us. The equation changed when companies found a way to charge advertisers big money by inverting these equations. Google is just the poster child for all this, but there are lots of other players that have cashed in.

You are free to not use their services. People acting offended for using free services. Before you say "free" is not free, well no one pays for most web services. So this is an inherent human problem not one these companies created.

Well. How does Wikipedia survive? Or Archive.org? Or Open Streetmap? Maybe the people/haters don't even care so much about advertisements in general, but the sheer mass of them, which degrades the usability, and maybe some of the services aren't that good anymore in general, while having been better before? I remember the days i happily used Altavista Search instead of the Yahoo. Because Yahoo was spammed to death, while Altavista at the time wasn't.

It feels the same with Duck Duck Go vs. Google since at least 5 years now? I don't really care how it is financed in the background, i care about how much hassle it is to find something, or even being able to find it at all. Google fails there massively for me, and i wonder why that is? Maybe because it is Anglocentric? Or even US-centric? But then the same should apply to Duck Duck Go, which isn't the case, because it works fine for me. I know it's using inferior indices, but it doesn't matter when the better ones are so overblown that i fail to find the needle in the impossibly large haystack. I'm even using other search engines before i fall back to Google, in case of not finding something. Google has gone from something good to last ditch only for me.

That was for general search. Now to the maps. With the exception of satellite/air-imagery it leaves much to be desired, and that is the labeling of places. Which fails worldwide. That algorithm is just crap on higer zoom levels. At first i thought it would be because of my location, some country far away over the Atlantic in old Europe, but it's not. I recognized that while reading something about the history of building railroads trough the Rocky Mountains, and the Googlemaps made no sense at all, because it either omits small places altogether, or puts the labels where they absolutely don't belong. Bingmaps meanwhile were a joy to use, everything was there, at the right places, and it ran even faster! LOL?

Then there is this thing with business listings and reviews in the map which is useless in my locations. I don't read them anymore, because any i have read were wrong, or did otherwise not meaningfully apply. I don't know why that is, is it just vandalism from random people, coercion of services like Yelp, or whatver? I don't care anymore, because USELESS!

Then general accuracy about what is where, and how to get there in my favored modes of transport. In my locations Open Streetmaps wins. EVERY TIME! (I know that is not applicable in general, because coverage/accuracy thereof varies regionally)

What else? Hm. Youtube. What can i say? Expect to get dirty if walking into a market for stupid pigs. Though it has not only some rare, but many pearls. Just difficult to find them in all that stinking shit. Apart from that, what are they thinking if i'm listening to some ambient psychill/progressive psytrance mix which goes about 1 to 2 hours and they are interupting that with at least 4 adverts per hour for stuff which is totally unrelated and i have no interest in? Who thinks of something like that? Are they on crack?

Is there anything i like about Google? Yeah, i like EARTH. Glorious! My digital globe. Great. But i don't need that, it's more of a toy for me.

So, emperors new clothes for all the gaslighted androids, anyone? :-)

Re: Google and Ambient Computing

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as someone who switched to an iphone yesterday after having using google flagship models since the nexus one, i agree that this is an important direction for google's product strategy, but i think they're playing catch up from far behind. i remarked to my wife last night that the biggest difference in the ux between the two was that my android was always a phone, and this iphone has become a platform/ux that's larger…

Assistant is so far ahead.

If Assistant is that far ahead, then it's really funny because assistant is very disappointing. These companies are pushing voice onto the general public before it is ready to be actually useful. I got a free google home with something and half the time I try to use it I end up closing the conversation with something like "hey google you are completely useless".

When it comes to voice recognition and language modeling we are still rubbing sticks together to make fire. But Google and Amazon are marketing their voice products like it's a zippo lighter.

They really have a chicken and the egg problem. They need more data input to train their AI and make the service better, but they need the service to be better before more people will adopt it and feed data to train the AI.

Re: Google and Ambient Computing

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> It's actually not "insanely complicated" Hi, your first link talks about NURBS curves, not NURBS surfaces. Cutting a surface in half is significantly more complicated than cutting a curve in half. And your second link is to a commercial result, an entire book. Presumably because the topic is complicated enough that people are willing to pay $69 to $78 to understand the challenge well enough. If your DDG search for…

>> Cutting a surface in half is significantly more complicated than cutting a curve in half. No, it's actually the Exact same thing. Just applied independently to each of the curves in one direction. But none of that is really important. 15 years ago it would be trivial to learn how to do it with a Google search. Today not so. Also, a book result is still better for me than the commercial tool links which contain no…

> No, it's actually the Exact same thing. Just applied independently to each of the curves in one direction.

I can easily imagine situations where I would not be happy with that result.

If that works for you, that's great.

> Also, a book result is still better for me than the commercial tool links which contain no math or theory what so ever.

Searching Google for "NURBS Book", "NURBS Course", "NURBS filetype:pdf" all work great for me.

At a guess, most of the people who use Google are using tools, not making them. Yes, Google favors results that make the majority happy. I see that as a feature. If I'm in the minority, yes, I do need to become a more sophisticated searcher.

Re: Google and Ambient Computing

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Splitting a NURBS surface "in half" is an insanely complicated operation, and the way you do it almost certainly depends on your intended use case. If you can't find a library (or engine) in your domain that has the operation, then you're kind of S.O.L., and have to start from first principles. I don't blame commercial results and SEO for this. It's not like you used to be able to see a menu of rich choices for this,…

> Splitting a NURBS surface "in half" is an insanely complicated operation, and the way you do it almost certainly depends on your intended use case. It's actually not "insanely complicated", and there are resources around, like https://pages.mtu.edu/~shene/COURSES/cs3621/NOTES/spline/NUR... and https://www.amazon.com/NURBS-Book-Monographs-Visual-Communic... > It's not like you used to be able to see a menu of rich c…

I am using DuckDuckGo too, but to be fair the first result in Google on that exact query seems relevant: https://computergraphics.stackexchange.com/questions/340/spl...

Re: Google and Ambient Computing

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Assistant is so far ahead.

If Assistant is that far ahead, then it's really funny because assistant is very disappointing. These companies are pushing voice onto the general public before it is ready to be actually useful. I got a free google home with something and half the time I try to use it I end up closing the conversation with something like "hey google you are completely useless". When it comes to voice recognition and language modelin…

Assistant easily recognizes voice and even has continued conversation mode. One data point isn't going to change that. If these weren't ready people wouldn't buy them in troves.

Re: Google and Ambient Computing

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Assistant is that far ahead, then it's really funny because assistant is very disappointing. These companies are pushing voice onto the general public before it is ready to be actually useful. I got a free google home with something and half the time I try to use it I end up closing the conversation with something like "hey google you are completely useless". When it comes to voice recognition and language modelin…

Assistant easily recognizes voice and even has continued conversation mode. One data point isn't going to change that. If these weren't ready people wouldn't buy them in troves.

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