Jokes on them, I still use Chromium 67 from chromium.woolyss.com. It's the last version before WebRTC became unremovable. Now it's impossible to download this version, only the new ones. Woolyss should have kept it, like they keep Chromium 49, the last version before Chromium stopped running on XP and Vista. And I understand the risks of running an obsolete version, but it's a trade-off. For some time I was thinking of updating it, but then Google came up with lots of anti-consumer browser-crippling features.
Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events
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Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events
#102Jokes on them, I still use Chromium 67 from chromium.woolyss.com. It's the last version before WebRTC became unremovable. Now it's impossible to download this version, only the new ones. Woolyss should have kept it, like they keep Chromium 49, the last version before Chromium stopped running on XP and Vista. And I understand the risks of running an obsolete version, but it's a trade-off. For some time I was thinking…
Older versions are full of known vulnerabilities.
Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
We know very well that well-designed keyboard UI can run circles around mouse-based one in a typical application. If you're a user of a "Kanban board", you're not some aunt with a phone, you are most likely in the office and you can learn to use the keyboard productively in the productivity app you use every day.
> If you're a user of a "Kanban board", you're not some aunt with a phone No. Instead it means you are a project manager, and that often implies that your technical skills are on the same level as that aunt, maybe slightly better, but not by much. > you are most likely in the office and you can learn to use the keyboard Or just keep using drag'n'drop which is the established pattern, which also works really well for…
> No. Instead it means you are a project manager, and that often implies that your technical skills are on the same level as that aunt, maybe slightly better, but not by much.
I am not a PM so I couldn't care less, but I think this is really condescending to people who work in that role. If you're a knowledge worker, it's your responsibility to make yourself familiar/efficient with the tools you use daily.
Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events
#104I switched to Firefox after they stopped caring about usability issues (like right clicking without releasing left mouse button deselects the text since v fifty-something on windows), the difficulties they created for ad blockers, the account integration fiasco, and so on. I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an…
Given that Chrome ended Opera, and is effectively ending IE/Edge, people really need to take pause and appreciate and be thankful that Firefox is still around. I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. I certainly don't expect it to be around in another 5-10 years. Firefox's tiny market share is all that stands between all the W3C and WHATG publications going from "standards" to "what Chro…
> I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles.
Would you mind briefly elaborating on this? I wasn't aware that Mozilla had done anything apart from behave well.
Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events
#105I switched to Firefox after they stopped caring about usability issues (like right clicking without releasing left mouse button deselects the text since v fifty-something on windows), the difficulties they created for ad blockers, the account integration fiasco, and so on. I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an…
Firefox could be a lot better with usability issues, too. They will agree on something being an issue and then let the ticket sit there for months and years, even if it's something that's easy to fix and should be prioritized.
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Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events
#106I switched to Firefox after they stopped caring about usability issues (like right clicking without releasing left mouse button deselects the text since v fifty-something on windows), the difficulties they created for ad blockers, the account integration fiasco, and so on. I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an…
Firefox is now complete shit.. Mozilla can go fuck themselves.. bunch of retards
Use Vivaldi instead, they at least attempt to implementant decent and useful actual features... most of which used to be Firefox addons/.
Seriously Mozilla go fuck yourselves.
Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that Chrome ended Opera, and is effectively ending IE/Edge, people really need to take pause and appreciate and be thankful that Firefox is still around. I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. I certainly don't expect it to be around in another 5-10 years. Firefox's tiny market share is all that stands between all the W3C and WHATG publications going from "standards" to "what Chro…
> I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. Would you mind briefly elaborating on this? I wasn't aware that Mozilla had done anything apart from behave well.
Bundling Pocket, resetting default search provider back to Google on updates. Just a couple off the top of my head.
I'm a long-time Firefox user, FWIW.
Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events
#108I switched to Firefox after they stopped caring about usability issues (like right clicking without releasing left mouse button deselects the text since v fifty-something on windows), the difficulties they created for ad blockers, the account integration fiasco, and so on. I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an…
> I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an issue doesn't affect Google, it will likely be deprioritized a lot. Not to be that guy, but if you take a look at the bug a fix has been merged into 77
And this is why I take rants against Google and MS with a grain of salt.
Top voted comment couldn't bother to read bug report. I often see inconvenient truths buried in downvotes meanwhile misinformation that apeases a vocal minority gets catapulted to the top.
Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events
#109It seems like drag-and-drop is out of fashion. I think big reason is that it really cannot be done well on touch-screen devices and touchpads. I don't really complain, because I have always found d&d rather impractical (and it's also terrible for accessibility); unfortunately, there are some applications that still rely on it a lot. (As an aside, what bothers me more that the right-click menu goes out of fashion. Tha…
The clear solution is to be able to drag something to a temporary location.
For example, a Trello card I should be able to drag to the home button on my iPhone, then switch apps, maybe go do something else for a bit, and then continue dragging it into an email, or HN comment.
Drag and drop should be more like universal cut and paste. It should be against intergalactic law to implement it all yourself so you can't drag between apps.
Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
DnD is natural human gesture to move things around. Implementation is imperfect but Undo should help then. Desktop has all this sorted out for years.
Unfortunately, there is no Undo on the file open dialog. So, no, the desktop hasn't it sorted all out. But I don't really mind DnD as long as it's not obtrusive and there are other means to accomplish the task.
Did you try pressing Ctrl-Z? This has worked in Windows Explorer (and by extension the native File Open dialog) for years.