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Re: Apple is not your friend

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Post by sjs382 »

soraminazuki wrote: post #70
dannyr wrote: post #30

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Apple intentionally held back mobile web that companies cannot build mobile web apps that are as capable as native apps. So this is partly why we're all at the mercy of walled garden App Stores.

> Apple intentionally held back mobile web that companies cannot build mobile web apps that are as capable as native apps. Are you suggesting that random websites should have the same level of access to your device as native apps?

Random websites? No.

Websites that are given consent? Sure.

Re: Apple is not your friend

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Post by basch »

_Understated_ wrote: post #51
jackweirdy wrote: post #27

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I don't think services have to be open source for us to trust their privacy. In the context of Apple there has been enough conflict in the press with the FBI and other authorities that their actions speak enough I can trust them in the absence of source code. And I think there is enough financial strategy for other companies - such as Samsung, who for example sell smart TVs at a loss to recoup money from Ad/tracking…

>I don't think services have to be open source for us to trust their privacy. I agree that we don't NEED open source but it would definitely help. In all honesty I'm not sure any corporation could fully reassure everyone that they are trustworthy but being open source would at least show they are serious about it: they may have a back door but there's a risk it will be spotted! That being said (and is pointed out by…

>I honestly cannot say that they have better privacy than Google.

Yes you can. One is a data mining company that sells gateway drugs to its services, one is a hardware/os/framework company that transitioned in to an app marketplace company. Google makes money collecting data and targeting advertising. Apple makes a cut, like Visa, on transactions.

Re: Apple is not your friend

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Post by basch »

BigJ1211 wrote: post #61
mda wrote: post #13

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Your argument is flawed. How do you know that Apple protects personal data better than others? I think it has the least experience and probably Google is the best in that area. Microsoft is maybe second.

You can easily argue that Apple unlike those others hasn't shown signs in the direction of selling your personal data (directly or indirectly). Google is an advertisement platform so they are the most experienced in using and selling your data (indirectly). Microsoft is moving heavily in the SaaS direction with an insane amount of telemetry going out towards their servers from Windows 10. (If you have any concern for…

its so disingenuous to equate telemetry with tracking. The former is looking for app crashes, usability patterns and the latter is watching "what interests you" soas to serve you more of that. There is no reason to believe Microsoft is using Windows telemetry crash/threat data to shape Bing ad targeting. (Yes I understand browsing history is part of the overall telemetry. Microsoft would be smart to brand that separately than diagnostic data.)

The other main use of telemetry is to power active threat protection. Having it turned on on more machines makes everyone safer.

Re: Apple is not your friend

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Post by RestlessMind »

rekabis wrote: post #9

However, out of that list of four, Apple is the one that I have seen being “least evil” with me and my data. Google dropped their “don’t be evil” motto for a very damn good reason, and the safety of their own app marketplace is a fucking joke. Facebook is even worse than Google, in that it has never stopped trying to appear innocent of wrongdoing while paddling like mad under the surface. Microsoft… has gone all Spyw…

I disagree with you regarding Apple - they are the ones who started the trend of the ultimate walled gardens by letting the platform maker decide which software resides on your device. Neither Google nor Facebook nor Microsoft were inclined to do that. Apple single-handedly changed the narrative (in a significant way, since earlier there were tiny pockets of walled gardens like gaming consoles). The society is going to suffer in the long term because of that.

Re: Apple is not your friend

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Post by seba_dos1 »

mcv wrote: post #79
seba_dos1 wrote: post #76

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You can easily stay away from all four.

You can, but not easily.

It's 2019, it is easy these days. With GNU/Linux, DuckDuckGo, Mastodon, Matrix, XMPP, microG, F-Droid etc. it's just a matter of giving it a try. The hard thing isn't staying away from the big four - it's untangling yourself from all the network effects you already got yourself into.

Re: Apple is not your friend

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Post by newscracker »

tomashubelbauer wrote: post #40

Off topic for this particular submission but on topic for Twitter submissions in general: is anyone else rate limited like 90 % of the time when accessing Twitter using the mobile browser on mobile data? Maybe it is because I'm signed out of Twitter in Safari, but I can't read most of the tweets and threads posted to HN.

Yes, I’ve seen this quite often and been annoyed with it. I thought it had to do with the embedded web view in certain apps or the user agent used by an app’s web view. Whenever this happens, I just skip going to that tweet. If Twitter wants to make things so frustrating and tough, I don’t need to patronize that platform further.

Re: Apple is not your friend

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Post by basch »

newscracker wrote: post #106
tomashubelbauer wrote: post #40

Off topic for this particular submission but on topic for Twitter submissions in general: is anyone else rate limited like 90 % of the time when accessing Twitter using the mobile browser on mobile data? Maybe it is because I'm signed out of Twitter in Safari, but I can't read most of the tweets and threads posted to HN.

Yes, I’ve seen this quite often and been annoyed with it. I thought it had to do with the embedded web view in certain apps or the user agent used by an app’s web view. Whenever this happens, I just skip going to that tweet. If Twitter wants to make things so frustrating and tough, I don’t need to patronize that platform further.

any time I click back, and click the link a second time, it loads.

Re: Apple is not your friend

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Post by dang »

This submission has no content. Please do better than that. An OP needs to have interesting information for the reader to process—otherwise we get lame and tedious discussions that we've all heard before.

In short: more fiber less sugar. Some sugar is ok, but not only. Indignation counts as sugar.

Re: Apple is not your friend

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Post by mcv »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #105
mcv wrote: post #79

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You can, but not easily.

It's 2019, it is easy these days. With GNU/Linux, DuckDuckGo, Mastodon, Matrix, XMPP, microG, F-Droid etc. it's just a matter of giving it a try. The hard thing isn't staying away from the big four - it's untangling yourself from all the network effects you already got yourself into.

That's why it's not easy. Most people are already entangled in those networks. They use Google Docs to write papers and presentations, they have an Android phone, a GMail address, and the websites they visit are filled with trackers for all sorts of things. It's entirely possible to avoid all of these things, but not easy. It requires a certain amount of technological savvy that most people don't have. It should be within easy reach of everybody, and it's really not.

Re: Apple is not your friend

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Post by jedikv »

mantoto wrote: post #32
rekabis wrote: post #9

However, out of that list of four, Apple is the one that I have seen being “least evil” with me and my data. Google dropped their “don’t be evil” motto for a very damn good reason, and the safety of their own app marketplace is a fucking joke. Facebook is even worse than Google, in that it has never stopped trying to appear innocent of wrongdoing while paddling like mad under the surface. Microsoft… has gone all Spyw…

Google hast the most transparency for your data. Google was one of the first to allow you to download it. It shows you all services you use. It tells you constantly that this is the case. It has the best 2fa.

it has an appearance of it, but we have no idea if that's all the info and/or the real control we have
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